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Re: Open secrets about Hacker News

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post #67

If pool is curated by moderators and dang is the only moderator, does it mean that pool is actually dang selection? :)

I'm not the only moderator, and there are a few non-moderators who also contribute to pool selection.

I'd really like to open that mechanism up to the community but it's still not obvious how to make that work well. Most ways of doing it would just recreate the voting system, and we already have one of those.

Re: Open secrets about Hacker News

#152
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Playing 00's music on an 80's radio station isn't challenging someone's fondness of 80's music, it's just annoying.

I was disagreeing with the premise that Hacker News is, or should be, very narrow in scope. Though I'll grant you that there are certainly degrees to this. There are regularly posts that make me wonder why they were posted to HN when I first see them here - and yet, these often manage to enrich my day. There are risks to making too many rules about who gets to be a member in your club.

What I was talking about in the quoted bits of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29024069 didn't have to do with topic scope. It had to do with article quality, which is orthogonal to that. I agree with you completely that HN should be broad rather than narrow in scope—that's highly desirable and we spend a lot of time trying to nudge and nurture things in that direction.

Just for clarity, when I was talking about how users are emotional about the front page and react intensely when they see something they don't think belongs there, it was in the context of an experiment we'd run to randomly place stories from /newest on the front page. Users reacted disastrously, not so much because of scope but because the median article's quality is just really low. That's true about in-scope topics like programming as well as other topics. I hope that makes sense.

As for 'who gets to be a member' - we don't restrict that nor want to restrict that. Everyone with intellectual curiosity, i.e. everyone, is welcome. The only requirement is actually using the site in that spirit. This is not so easy, of course, especially when the more activating topics show up.

Re: Open secrets about Hacker News

#153
This story makes no sense to me. For example, he says

“Chance of escaping sandbox = upvote conversion rate x views”

“Chance” must be a probability. But this formula will yield a chance > 1 most of the time. That makes no sense.

His example is 30 page views and an upvote conversion rate of 13.3%, which means the “Chance of escaping sandbox” = 3.99.

Reading more, I see that most of the math makes no sense. But I’d love to “triple” my chances of getting to the front page by making my probability 11.97.

Re: Open secrets about Hacker News

#155

Impressive how this has managed to get to #1 right in the middle of the temporal 'dead zone.'

It's quite possible meta stories are the most upvoted category of all. I posted an article about how HN was moderated and it netted more karma than anything else I've ever done on this site, by a wide margin.

Meta is the crack of internet forums, so mostly* a bad thing. We downweight it pretty proactively. There would be a lot more of it if we didn't.

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpxuvOs0NkM#t=210s

Re: Open secrets about Hacker News

#156

> he is the best moderator in the world Yes he is. Dang, you are amazing. Thank you for tending this beautiful garden in the middle of a sad and boggy Internet.

Dang is amazing because he's got a weirdly razor sharp ability to keep a relatively huge overton window without removing much, but still keep the discussion going without entering chaos.

Compared to the strictly moderated Reddit forums that are completely useless for perspectives outside of the status quo, often to a frightening degree in all directions.

Thanks dang!

Re: Open secrets about Hacker News

#157

Impressive how this has managed to get to #1 right in the middle of the temporal 'dead zone.'

It's quite possible meta stories are the most upvoted category of all. I posted an article about how HN was moderated and it netted more karma than anything else I've ever done on this site, by a wide margin.

Exactly, the "self analysis" bias is very strong and probably has its roots in psychology. HN's psychologically mature audience and mods (comparatively) probably tones down that tendency a bit, but many platforms need a separate meta category to prevent the community from spiraling around itself.

Re: Open secrets about Hacker News

#158

> he is the best moderator in the world Yes he is. Dang, you are amazing. Thank you for tending this beautiful garden in the middle of a sad and boggy Internet.

Reposting my tribute to Dang (with archive.org links when possible) from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18513120 : As a tribute to Dang, whose name you say when you make a mistake, here are some of my favorite Far Side cartoons: Some Weirdo: https://web.archive.org/web/20190901100845/https://i.pinimg.... Monster Jobs: https://web.archive.org/web/20211028134713/https://i.pinimg.... Vultures: https://web.archive.…

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Re: Open secrets about Hacker News

#159

> he is the best moderator in the world Yes he is. Dang, you are amazing. Thank you for tending this beautiful garden in the middle of a sad and boggy Internet.

Reposting my tribute to Dang (with archive.org links when possible) from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18513120 : As a tribute to Dang, whose name you say when you make a mistake, here are some of my favorite Far Side cartoons: Some Weirdo: https://web.archive.org/web/20190901100845/https://i.pinimg.... Monster Jobs: https://web.archive.org/web/20211028134713/https://i.pinimg.... Vultures: https://web.archive.…

We've banned this account for posting flamewar comments and using HN primarily for ideological battle. Those things are against the site guidelines because (a) they are not what this site is for, and (b) they destroy what it is for—regardless of which ideology you're battling for or against.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Open secrets about Hacker News

#160
post #84

One of the things about Hackernews karma system is that a lot of downvotes get filtered out as fraudulent. However, once you are “targeted” that filter is removed and downvotes against you become more powerful. I used to have a very high karma nearing 1000, and then one day it’s like a switch got flipped and my karma began a decline that never stopped, a year later I’ve been completely drained of karma. I might never…

You're talking about the mechanism that sama wrote about here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7605973. We recently restored the code to mostly work the way it did before that, so this effect should be less strong than it was. On the other hand, if you were to do a slightly better job of using HN in the intended spirit (and sticking to the site guidelines - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), we'd be happy to take the penalty off your account. The problem is that you're still posting comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29026954.

It's really hard to devise software protections to help HN stay within its mandate that don't at the same time end up penalizing a certain amount of benign activity. It's a bit like how white blood cells also kill some things that aren't a threat. But the solution is not to turn off the white blood cells - that would be really bad.

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