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Re: WhatsApp scaled to 1B users with only 50 engineers

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Is the implication that FreeBSD is less mature now, intended? I'm assuming not. The BSDs have grown in popularity significantly in the last couple years.

> The BSDs have grown in popularity significantly in the last couple years. Is the market share for BSDs growing?

Which market? If you take eg gaming consoles, then FreeBSD maintains steady 1/3 of the whole market, compared to Linux 0%.

Re: WhatsApp scaled to 1B users with only 50 engineers

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> The BSDs have grown in popularity significantly in the last couple years. Is the market share for BSDs growing?

Which market? If you take eg gaming consoles, then FreeBSD maintains steady 1/3 of the whole market, compared to Linux 0%.

Has the PlayStation market share grown in the last couple years? Also, Linux is probably going to grow when the Steam Deck is released.

Even if the PlayStation is growing, I am not aware of BSD growing in desktop, server, embedded devices, etc.

Re: WhatsApp scaled to 1B users with only 50 engineers

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> I think the driving force of the move to Javascript > everywhere was because devs were tired of learning at > least three languages [...] Companies love it because > of fungibility [...] > > Perhaps I've just got used to keeping several languages in my head? Another possibility that doesn't involve you being smarter than everybody in the room is that many people that were capable of learning several languages saw t…

> Another possibility that doesn't involve you being smarter than everybody in the room No one made a claim like that and your rudeness is uncalled for.

You wrote a lot of words about how others were "tired of learning" and "not being very good" and "kicking out the DB guy who'd stop their bad ideas" and then finished it off by congratulating yourself on keeping several languages in your head. I can be rude but you should think about how this would be perceived by others.

Re: WhatsApp scaled to 1B users with only 50 engineers

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> Another possibility that doesn't involve you being smarter than everybody in the room No one made a claim like that and your rudeness is uncalled for.

You wrote a lot of words about how others were "tired of learning" and "not being very good" and "kicking out the DB guy who'd stop their bad ideas" and then finished it off by congratulating yourself on keeping several languages in your head. I can be rude but you should think about how this would be perceived by others.

No, you should try to keep your temper, you could’ve provided your objections without resorting to rudeness. As such, I feel that I’ll simply ignore your point of view.

There's just no excuse for it.

Re: WhatsApp scaled to 1B users with only 50 engineers

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> Discord, with similar team size, was able to build something that succeeded in displacing IRC I think they displaced Skype, mumble and teamspeak too.

In my experience it displaced Mumble and Teamspeak only for casual gaming. If your group is strict enough about muting/kicking people who refuse to fix their mic settings, Mumble or Teamspeak is generally better -- better quality, local volume adjustments, less resource hungry, open mic not being the default, etc. Think tryhard esport players, or just people with old hardware (probably 90% of CSGO players )).

For my group this wasn't about mic settings but mumble being bad out of the box. Maybe because we didn't pay for the servers and used a free something, maybe because of bad luck, I don't know, but every experience we had with mumble was terrible. For teamspeak, while the voice part is great, the message part is (or was at least in ~2016) lacking compared to discord. We were coming from skype/twitter which had better support for """rich messages""".

Re: WhatsApp scaled to 1B users with only 50 engineers

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I can attest Product Managers were the downfall of one startup I worked at. The company had dozens of millions in funding and managed to piss it all away with ill-founded escapades driven by a handful of Product Managers. If anything, the Product Managers seemed to be managing their careers, not the product. They babied engineers until most of the engineers stopped caring about the product and just gave up working ha…

On the flip side, my old PM had an incredibly deep understanding of both the product and the customers buying it (an area in which us SWEs were lacking), in addition to a semi-hands-on understanding of the engineering process too. He wasn't a professional software engineer, but he took the time to actually learn how to program through some side projects and through this gained a real understanding of what would be tr…

What you describe is the ideal PM. Someone who understands the business and customers and some of the technology. There are two kinds of PMs that are good. The one you describe who understands the business and the former developer who has been with a company many years and has made transition to PM role. However in a lot of companies this is not always the case.

Re: WhatsApp scaled to 1B users with only 50 engineers

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Which market? If you take eg gaming consoles, then FreeBSD maintains steady 1/3 of the whole market, compared to Linux 0%.

Has the PlayStation market share grown in the last couple years? Also, Linux is probably going to grow when the Steam Deck is released. Even if the PlayStation is growing, I am not aware of BSD growing in desktop, server, embedded devices, etc.

Linux isn’t growing in those markets either. Moreover, it’s increasingly seen as a liability - thus increasing efforts to replace it with eg Fuchsia.

Re: WhatsApp scaled to 1B users with only 50 engineers

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post #453

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You wrote a lot of words about how others were "tired of learning" and "not being very good" and "kicking out the DB guy who'd stop their bad ideas" and then finished it off by congratulating yourself on keeping several languages in your head. I can be rude but you should think about how this would be perceived by others.

No, you should try to keep your temper, you could’ve provided your objections without resorting to rudeness. As such, I feel that I’ll simply ignore your point of view. There's just no excuse for it.

Somehow I suspect this isn't the first time you've ignored other people's points of view and felt righteous about it. But, the way you act, must give the people around you a lot of entertainment so I'd certainly not want you to change!

Re: WhatsApp scaled to 1B users with only 50 engineers

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post #458

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No, you should try to keep your temper, you could’ve provided your objections without resorting to rudeness. As such, I feel that I’ll simply ignore your point of view. There's just no excuse for it.

Somehow I suspect this isn't the first time you've ignored other people's points of view and felt righteous about it. But, the way you act, must give the people around you a lot of entertainment so I'd certainly not want you to change!

Mate, there are published guidelines for the site. If you don't want to follow them, that is up to you. People aren't even supposed to be snarky but they are, sometimes I am - we're all human and can be a bit spiky at times - but outright rudeness isn't defensible. Of course I'm going to ignore you because of it.

> But, the way you act, must give the people around you a lot of entertainment so I'd certainly not want you to change!

You see, you can do it!

Re: WhatsApp scaled to 1B users with only 50 engineers

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Somehow I suspect this isn't the first time you've ignored other people's points of view and felt righteous about it. But, the way you act, must give the people around you a lot of entertainment so I'd certainly not want you to change!

Mate, there are published guidelines for the site. If you don't want to follow them, that is up to you. People aren't even supposed to be snarky but they are, sometimes I am - we're all human and can be a bit spiky at times - but outright rudeness isn't defensible. Of course I'm going to ignore you because of it. > But, the way you act, must give the people around you a lot of entertainment so I'd certainly not want…

I wanted to point out to you that there are other reasons for people choosing different choices to you which don't involve them being "tired of learning" and "not being very good".

You described yourself as being "used to keeping several languages in [your] head" as if this was an achievement that others couldn't muster.

I still feel that your derision towards others and self-congratulatory tone were deserving of rudeness and snark.

Anyway, I apologise for being rude since it was hurtful. I thought your comment was bad and let you know this by directly accusing you of exactly what you were doing, instead of finding some non-confrontational way of saying it.

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