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10 Things Millionaires Won't Tell You

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Because real estate always goes up? The "houses are the greatest investment ever" myth is amazingly persistent.

I am also skeptical of the conventional wisdom of home ownership. I think a mortgage is simply a way to force yourself to save money. If people save with the same commitment as mortgage payments, even while paying rent, they should end up doing just fine.

You just spelled out the problem: you still need to pay your rent. Why paying rent when you could be paying yourself? In the long run, owning the place you live is smarter.

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okay, let's compare scenarios. scenario 1 you "save" 2000 a month by spending it on a mortgage scenario 2 you pay 1500 a month for rent and save the other 500. in which scenario do you come out ahead? that 1500 a month is GONE.

If you have a new mortgage, then somewhere between $1000-1800 is spent on interest, NOT saved, and it is GONE (well, it's a little less because of the tax advantage for mortgage interest).

Yes, you're right, but this value goes down year by year. While the rent costs never go down.

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Because real estate always goes up? The "houses are the greatest investment ever" myth is amazingly persistent.

and viewing houses as just another investment is amazingly persistent and is the attitude that got us into our present problem in the first place. a mortgage is building equity in a physical asset, stocks are gambling to try to get 10% returns in paper money.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because real estate always goes up? The "houses are the greatest investment ever" myth is amazingly persistent.

and viewing houses as just another investment is amazingly persistent and is the attitude that got us into our present problem in the first place. a mortgage is building equity in a physical asset, stocks are gambling to try to get 10% returns in paper money.

How are stocks 'gambling'? Buying a stock is buying a fraction of a business. Is all business ownership gambling? A business is just a group formed to do something too complex for individuals -- are the constituent individuals also a gamble?

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it's impossible to be happy if you're always comparing yourself to others. there will always be someone smarter, better looking, richer, and with a bigger ____ than you :p True happiness is contentment, contentment comes from financial security. I laugh at those millionaires who, as the article said, are squeaking by on 400k a year. The biggest key to financial security isn't making more money. It's reducing your liv…

plus it's tax advantaged I've never really liked that reasoning. Let's assume that someone is in the 30% tax bracket (paying 30% on all qualified income). Let's say this person makes $100,000/yr. They pay $30,000/yr in taxes. Let's say they also have a $100,000 mortgage at 5% APY. They're paying $5,000/yr in interest. That interest is deducted from their income of $100,000 leaving $95,000 taxable income. Assuming the…

Agree dkokelly, and it also gets worse.

In your example, $5000/year interest is under the standard deduction. Unless you already have other deductions to itemize, you are getting no tax write-off for the $5000.

For instance, in 2008, the standard deduction for singles is $5450. Lets assume that you have $2000 in other itemized deductions. So, the first $3450 of your mortgage interest simply offsets the write off you would get with the standard deduction. Therefore, only $1550 would get you an additional deduction.

Now, if you're married, the standard deduction is $10900. In my situation, my mortgage interest is just barely greater than that amount.

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That's not even remotely true. The interest rate for a mortgage right now is a few % points below what the stock market has returned, on average, over the last 50 years. That's not even counting the tax deduction for the interest. A mortgage is basically borrowing money with which to make more money. Your mortgage payment on a place is generally not much more than your rent payment would be, and it's tax deductible a…

> Your mortgage payment on a place is generally not much more than your rent payment would be This is not true in most of the formerly booming real estate markets in the U.S. My coworker just bought a condo for $500K in Boston. At 6%, his interest payments are $30K/year, or $2500/month. My friends are renting a similar place for $2200/month. I've heard it's worse in California, eg. people paying $3500/month in mortga…

> It's highly unlikely that stock market returns over the next 50 years will match those of the previous 50 years, even with the cratering of the real-estate market.

Why? Stock market rises tend to be linked to technological advances. We are pretty close to some significant technological breakthroughs and these will only accelerate over the next 50 years.

Consider, for example, that within 15 years, it should be cheap and practical to use solar panels for almost everything. Consider robotics and the way robots will radicalize many industries as much as industrial robots have revolutionized factories, etc.

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A lot of this is wrong. For example, no one rich would "leverage their home equity to finance purchases." And though rich people often have assistants, they're not drawn from a special guild of "concierges" with connections for getting restaurant reservations. Nor would anyone rich rent handbags or Ferraris. The parts that aren't false read like a description of someone who made money from e.g. developing shopping ma…

I've dated the very well off, and I know at the lower levels, they are using those services. American Express operates one, and I knew someone who made a decent living as a personal concierge in Manhattan.

It all depends on the circle, though. Doctors and lawyers seem to be more likely to use these services, while entreprenuers seem to be used to doing things themselves.

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A lot of this is wrong. For example, no one rich would "leverage their home equity to finance purchases." And though rich people often have assistants, they're not drawn from a special guild of "concierges" with connections for getting restaurant reservations. Nor would anyone rich rent handbags or Ferraris. The parts that aren't false read like a description of someone who made money from e.g. developing shopping ma…

But, as a percentage, what subset of all rich people actually earned their money through technology? Either way, if those people aren't leveraging their home equity, than they don't know much about finance, truth be told. Assume you have good credit and a steady income or assets; there is absolutely no reason to own your house outright. Bill Gates, for example, has a mortgage on his house. The easier way to think about it is that if you're paying 5% interest on your mortgage, but could get 7% return on money elsewhere, you should take all the money out of your house and earn the 2%. Either way, you also get the value increase (or decrease on the equity as whole). This is the same reason that many wealthy college students take out college loans, because with their low interest rate, there is no reason not to have the 40k sitting somewhere else making more money.

I don't know what evidence, other than opinion, you have that rich people don't have a special guild of concierges, or rent handbags or Ferraris. I know several people of the private jet sort who do have an assistant that is not just someone who just takes down their schedule, but rather is someone who can solve problems anywhere, work the network to get a dinner reservation where ever you want, etc. Further, most fabulously wealthy people are very smart with their money, even if they do have ten houses and two yachts, and although they could buy $2000 bags and throw them away in two months, why would they? They could buy a fancy sports car, an asset that radically depreciates and that you can’t drive all the time, or they could rent one whenever they want?

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You may think I'm rich, but I don't. How very very true that is. I have friends that make less than half what I do. Once upon a time, I would have thought that my current income would mean I'd "made it". But somehow, here I am, still occasionally concerned about being overdrawn, still trying to be frugal, still feeling like I don't make enough to do all the things I want to do. By world standards, I was fantastically…

all things are relative. You can be the smartest person in your state, but not the country. You can be the smartest person in the country, but not the world. Same thing with wealth, you may be a millionaire but there are MILLIONS other people who are richer than you.

This reminds me of what someone taught me about being the relative best. Sometimes it is good enough to be the best in your environment. For example, it is easier to be the most popular guy in a room (e.g. throw a party/be a host/invite lots of people) than the most popular guy in a club. Big fish in a small pond. Local maximums (City Council member) are more realistic and achievable than global maximums (global maximum = U.S. President).

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A lot of this is wrong. For example, no one rich would "leverage their home equity to finance purchases." And though rich people often have assistants, they're not drawn from a special guild of "concierges" with connections for getting restaurant reservations. Nor would anyone rich rent handbags or Ferraris. The parts that aren't false read like a description of someone who made money from e.g. developing shopping ma…

But, as a percentage, what subset of all rich people actually earned their money through technology? Either way, if those people aren't leveraging their home equity, than they don't know much about finance, truth be told. Assume you have good credit and a steady income or assets; there is absolutely no reason to own your house outright. Bill Gates, for example, has a mortgage on his house. The easier way to think abo…

Bill Gates has a mortgage on his house??! Is that real?
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