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Bitcoin is largely controlled by a small group of investors and miners

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Re: Bitcoin is largely controlled by a small group of investors and miners

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Pareto's observations back in 1896 about land ownership in Italy still hold true...

Yeah I think this is not really surprising. Why would bitcoin be any different than e.g. wealth more generally.

My understanding is it expends unbelievable quantities of resources pretending otherwise.

Re: Bitcoin is largely controlled by a small group of investors and miners

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> the ecosystem is still dominated by a concentration of key players, making the ecosystem susceptible to systemic risk like a 51 percent attack, where a group of miners could take control of the majority of the network. Never mind that doing so would destroy the value of the cap/opex invested. But yea... bitcoin is dead, again.

> Never mind that doing so would destroy the value of the cap/opex invested. "Bitcoin is centralized, but that's OK because the central authorities can be trusted to do the right thing" isn't exactly a compelling argument. Especially when decentralization is supposed to be one of Bitcoin's major selling points.

The people you consider to be central authorities in Bitcoin can not and are not generally trusted to do the right thing. The biggest Bitcoin miner is Bitmain and they have repeatedly tried to subvert Bitcoin such as through the creation of Bitcoin Cash and attempting numerous times to pull off hard forks or oppose updates to Bitcoin.

The fact that those efforts have failed, despite them being the largest miner, is pretty strong evidence that Bitcoin is not under the control of any small group of people.

Re: Bitcoin is largely controlled by a small group of investors and miners

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Money is largely controlled by a small group of investors and central banks. [citation needed]

The difference is that traditional money is up front about that fact and doesn't use decentralization as a selling point.

100% this

Re: Bitcoin is largely controlled by a small group of investors and miners

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Pareto's observations back in 1896 about land ownership in Italy still hold true...

Yeah I think this is not really surprising. Why would bitcoin be any different than e.g. wealth more generally.

It wouldn’t be, but you wouldn’t know that from the hype.

Re: Bitcoin is largely controlled by a small group of investors and miners

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Never mind that doing so would destroy the value of the cap/opex invested. "Bitcoin is centralized, but that's OK because the central authorities can be trusted to do the right thing" isn't exactly a compelling argument. Especially when decentralization is supposed to be one of Bitcoin's major selling points.

The people you consider to be central authorities in Bitcoin can not and are not generally trusted to do the right thing. The biggest Bitcoin miner is Bitmain and they have repeatedly tried to subvert Bitcoin such as through the creation of Bitcoin Cash and attempting numerous times to pull off hard forks or oppose updates to Bitcoin. The fact that those efforts have failed, despite them being the largest miner, is p…

Great answer and totally right.

There also is no "central authority" since anyone can become a validator. Bitmain, while absolutely huge producer of hardware and a miner, is not the only manufacturer of the hardware.

Even better, there is a giant financial incentive to build the best miner [1].

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/square-ceo-jack-dorsey-says-...

Re: Bitcoin is largely controlled by a small group of investors and miners

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Money is largely controlled by a small group of investors and central banks. [citation needed]

That's not money, that's currencies and fiat.

And there's a difference between "controlling" and "owning".

Free market doesn't provide mechanisms for money "control".

If you rightfully own it, it's yours and I don't care how much you have. I apply the same logic to Bitcoin - I don't care how many people own it and how much BTC each has: it's their own business. But they can't "control" "money" - they care barely control their own wallets I don't accept BTC in exchange for my labor. So, why should I care?

Re: Bitcoin is largely controlled by a small group of investors and miners

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Users, miners and developers all have different powers and hold each other to account in an interesting way that few people understand so far, affecting what 'control' really means. It needs to be put in context with alternatives. Compared to the alternative of corrupt governments that have complete control to print money at will, I have no doubt that it is a extremely promising experiment. ASICs do seem to pervert some incentives so people should be more interested in modified Proof-of-Work algorithms like Monero has been doing successfully

Re: Bitcoin is largely controlled by a small group of investors and miners

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2,153 billionaires have more wealth than the 4.6 billion people who make up 60 percent of the planet’s population [1].

Calling 10,000 unaffiliated people "a small group" by comparison is kind of disingenuous.

1. https://oxfamilibrary.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10...

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