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Alibaba has lost $344B market cap in the past year

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Re: Alibaba has lost $344B market cap in the past year

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The unexpected $15.5 billion in spending on Xi Jinping's "common prosperity" initiatives was unsettling. It was only 10% of their net income for 2020, so not terrible as a one-time hit, but really drove home for me that the government might unexpectedly expropriate large amounts of shareholder value in the future. Baidu, Tencent, and others also had to pay up.

Isn’t the US government discussing taxing unrealized capital gains for a similar impact and purpose?

Re: Alibaba has lost $344B market cap in the past year

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post #15

The unexpected $15.5 billion in spending on Xi Jinping's "common prosperity" initiatives was unsettling. It was only 10% of their net income for 2020, so not terrible as a one-time hit, but really drove home for me that the government might unexpectedly expropriate large amounts of shareholder value in the future. Baidu, Tencent, and others also had to pay up.

Isn’t the US government discussing taxing unrealized capital gains for a similar impact and purpose?

More like one politician. And really it is a scam to further keep upper middle class people with a few stocks from joining the shareholder/top class.

Re: Alibaba has lost $344B market cap in the past year

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people in my life with a Phd choose to go by "Mr" as opposed to "Dr". All major news organizations I just checked, including Bloomberg, WSJ, and the BBC, call him "Mr. Xi" and not "Dr. Xi". Do you any evidence he chooses to go by "Dr" as opposed to "Mr"? Because otherwise, I am inclined to assume all the major news sources have it right.

Yeah, but then again most Western news organisations call Xi the President of China. [Hint: the Chinese language has a word for President - which they use for Biden, Macron, etc. They don't use it for Xi].

I checked gov.cn, and see it using "Mr. Xi" and "President". For example: https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/wjdt_665385/zyjh_665391/t11...

But maybe I'm not really understand your point. Are you saying there is another English word that would better describe Xi than President, or that English should add one? Are you thinking "President" is insufficient to capture his power, and something like "Dictator" would be better? That has such negative consolidations that I would be hesitant to use it.

Re: Alibaba has lost $344B market cap in the past year

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are referring to US markets, I would be interested to see what max optimism looks like if max pessimism is new record highs everyday.

I'm not GP, but I believe they were referring to Alibaba in particular, not US markets as a whole.

Yeah the US markets are far from any pessimism

thats prob closer to euphoria.

But Alibaba got really hammered down ( the stock ). No position for me but I follow the Company

Re: Alibaba has lost $344B market cap in the past year

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Xi's reforms are not just a flash in the pan or motivated by his desire to reign in some rogue companies, it seems like there is a fundamental shift in policy - moving away from free wheeling capitalism which has lifted millions out of property but has also come at a huge cost - loss of cultural and family values and corruption. Xi wants to re-align with socialist values, which is a good sign for the country. But, it…

The Cultural Revolution was partly about promoting a "loss of cultural and family values" (reporting your parents etc.), so that the state could have more control. The CCP has always been corrupt, and its leaders have always wanted more control.

Re: Alibaba has lost $344B market cap in the past year

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but then again most Western news organisations call Xi the President of China. [Hint: the Chinese language has a word for President - which they use for Biden, Macron, etc. They don't use it for Xi].

I checked gov.cn, and see it using "Mr. Xi" and "President". For example: https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/wjdt_665385/zyjh_665391/t11... But maybe I'm not really understand your point. Are you saying there is another English word that would better describe Xi than President, or that English should add one? Are you thinking "President" is insufficient to capture his power, and something like "Dictator" would be bette…

> I checked gov.cn, and see it using "Mr. Xi" and "President".

Yip, mainstream media gets it wrong. :)

Here you go: https://qz.com/1112638/xi-jinping-title-xi-jinping-is-not-th...

But yeah, its not a big point to squabble over.

Re: Alibaba has lost $344B market cap in the past year

#37
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people in my life with a Phd choose to go by "Mr" as opposed to "Dr". All major news organizations I just checked, including Bloomberg, WSJ, and the BBC, call him "Mr. Xi" and not "Dr. Xi". Do you any evidence he chooses to go by "Dr" as opposed to "Mr"? Because otherwise, I am inclined to assume all the major news sources have it right.

Yeah, but then again most Western news organisations call Xi the President of China. [Hint: the Chinese language has a word for President - which they use for Biden, Macron, etc. They don't use it for Xi].

Xi has three titles: general secretary of the CCP, president of China, and another chairman title related to the military (chairman of the CCP is reserved for Mao). The presidency is mainly a ceremonial one that used to be a separate role, most of his power stems from being general secretary of the communist party, so that’s what they use in the Chinese press. Because the Chinese know this wouldn’t translate well into the west, they use the Presidency title in their English press oriented toward foreigners.
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