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Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by mensetmanusman »

sparrish wrote: post #48
wanderingmind wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a difference between wedding and marriage. A wedding paperwork is not too expensive, but a marriage has truly become unaffordable.

How has marriage become unaffordable? In what way? I'm really asking. Seems to me two people with two incomes living in a 1 bedroom apartment is cheaper than one. Nearly everything is cheaper when you're married: Insurance, taxes, meals, utilities. What's less expensive as a single?

Well, consider, about 50 years ago almost every child was raised by married parents, today about half are.

Having so many people with no lived experience means lower cultural forces behind asking them to participate in an expensive party, even though marriage is so good for raising children (which used to be the purpose of marriage).

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by micromacrofoot »

barry-cotter wrote: post #49
micromacrofoot wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea what this means. Are you talking about the societal standards of what marriage is? something else? There were 4 people at my wedding. It was only marginally more expensive than the paperwork.

You know the big fancy wedding for 50-300 people in a hotel? That's expensive. I forget the sociological terminology but getting married has gone from a "We're getting started" to a "We have arrived" statement and the wedding is meant to show that, which is expensive.

Well sure, but that's just one example of how corporate interests tend to push tradition into being as expensive as possible (holidays face a similar fate). They're creating social pressure to solidify their revenue.

A wedding can be whatever you want. It's not "unobtainable" unless you're treating it like a class-based measuring stick.

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by TMWNN »

llimos wrote: post #53

When I was at university, Engineering and Psychology used to have parties together. But that might also have been because Engineering was 80% men and Psychology 80% women.

I'm told that Milwaukee School of Engineering began a nursing program to even out the male-female ratio. https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/6onyh6/til_th...>

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by TMWNN »

988747 wrote: post #44
mensetmanusman wrote: post #33

This will be kind of skewed towards the wealthy, as marriages are becoming less obtainable by the lower classes.

A theory I once read goes like this: in the past it was quite common for lawyers, directors, managers to marry their secretaries, which was the way for them to jump to higher social class. Now, a director making advances towards their secretary faces immediate sexual harassment lawsuit, so they choose to marry other managers/directors instead.

Yes, I've wondered the same thing. Anti-sexual harassment training, and more broadly the discouraging of socialization between men and women, has also reduced the opportunity for men and women to marry. The flip side of the male executive no longer being able to chase his secretary around a desk to try to pinch her on the butt is another executive not being able to politely court the secretary he is in love with (and vice versa).

I don't have a good answer for how to get the one without the other, but both are consequences of modern sensibilities.

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by rsj_hn »

TMWNN wrote: post #64
988747 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A theory I once read goes like this: in the past it was quite common for lawyers, directors, managers to marry their secretaries, which was the way for them to jump to higher social class. Now, a director making advances towards their secretary faces immediate sexual harassment lawsuit, so they choose to marry other managers/directors instead.

Yes, I've wondered the same thing. Anti-sexual harassment training, and more broadly the discouraging of socialization between men and women, has also reduced the opportunity for men and women to marry. The flip side of the male executive no longer being able to chase his secretary around a desk to try to pinch her on the butt is another executive not being able to politely court the secretary he is in love with (and…

More and more, I'm beginning to think that a society in which there is widespread use of birth control and in which the majority of women enter the labor force and work full time in an office is not going to be able to maintain replacement level fertility rates.

In which case, the future belongs to societies where women don't work and birth control is stigmatized.

It could be that there is a reason why the world was dominated by large patriarchal societies other than some sort of accident of history.

If that's true, then a society with lots of gig jobs or work at home jobs might help alleviate the problem. There could be other creative solutions, like reimagining higher education to give people time to marry and have kids before college. Other approaches are also possible. Whatever the reason, the secular societies will need to scramble if they don't want the world of the future to be dominated by orthodox religious populations.

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by bedobi »

I'm a software developer.

I don't know about the rest of the community but for me someone being in tech is, if not a disqualifier, something very close to it.

I have no real reason or justification! I guess maybe I'm just techy enough as is and prefer other qualities in a partner.

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by chrisseaton »

screye wrote: post #22

Many anecdotal guesses are validated by this data. Doctors and agricultural workers are the obvious standouts, but I see a few more too. Us programmers stick together. Quite a high rate of marrying within the community. Lawyers show a similarly high number. A criticism of the study, is that it does not normalize by how many of these professions are in the general population. So, it appears as though software analysts…

> it appears as though software analysts don't like intermarrying

What happened to 'software analysts'? Is that even a career today? Sounds like something straight out of the 80s. Is it a 'product owner'?

But the real explanation is that realistically 90% of people meet their spouses in university.

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by Kkoala »

There was some really similar research done in Finland, and they concluded that many of the correlations were because students of certain fields used to go to the same parties / events.

E.g. Computer Science students had a lot of parties with nurses, and this then caused a correlation in marriages between those groups as well

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by golemiprague »

Pasorrijer wrote: post #6

Boy, sure are a lot of professions married to teachers.

The missing filter there is by which gender, obviously many man will be married to nurses because there are so many female nurses but no so many women marry male nurses.

Re: Which jobs most often pair together among married couples

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Post by xhevahir »

I'd be interested to see a historical comparison. Supposedly the (male)doctor-marries-(female)nurse pattern of several decades ago--or the executive/secretary one, to give another example--has given way to a situation where Americans tend to marry within their own profession/class.
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