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Lambda School leaked documents show poor performance over the last two years

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Re: Lambda School leaked documents show poor performance over the last two years

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I've actually been off and on programming for a few years and have done my tour in tutorial hell on Udemy. Just thought maybe a bootcamp would give me experience programming with a team like you would at a job. I also have a unique opportunity next year where I will have 6 months off paid, which I plan to spend programming full time. Thought a bootcamp may be a good way to spend that time.

You might wanna check c0d3[0] or fullstackopen[1], they are both free and self paced, c0d3 is opensource and has a nice small community and some mentors/students/engineers always ready to help on Discord. Once you finish the curriculum, you get in engineering team and start contributing back and gain some real world experience. [0] https://www.c0d3.com/ [1] https://fullstackopen.com/en/

Thanks, I will check those out. Much appreciated!

Re: Lambda School leaked documents show poor performance over the last two years

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Yes, javascript has some quirks. But most bootcamps are trying to get their students from "zero to employable developer" in a very short amount of time, and "employable entry-level developer" is almost always synonymous with "employable entry-level web developer". Given that mandate, you basically have to teach people the basics of web applications, which means talking about what happens on the client, which means ja…

Yes, but to be good at JavaScript, I think you need to learn another language first.

I don't think a bootcamp is going to be able to teach you to be "good at" javascript (or any other language). Think back to when you'd been programming for 1 or 2 months. I'd wager there were lots of things that didn't totally make sense and some magic here and there that you didn't fully understand. It takes time - more time than a bootcamp has - to teach that deeper understanding which allows you to be "good." A bootcamp teaches you to be functional.

Re: Lambda School leaked documents show poor performance over the last two years

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The issue is that a company purchased by PE often has built up a positive image of their brand. Sea World probably has thousands of positive reviews online; by the time the online consensus catches up to the reality of the experience, it's very easy to be fooled. That's where the money is made: when costs are cut but the brand still has a positive perception. PE doesn't have to change their tune; by the time consumer…

Any business can do this regardless of whether PE is involved. What's your point?

The difference is incentive structure. Running a business successfully is hard, and getting one to profitability is difficult. The easiest way to make money on a purchased business is to cut costs while people perceive it positively, ride that wave until the business isn't perceived positively, then sell the remaining assets. This method, given that it happens frequently, seems to be the easiest and most reliable way to turn a profit from a business over a period of 3-7 years, with no regard for the survival of that business moving forward.

Given that PE is generally looking for profits over the 3-7 year time period, this would line up with their goals.

Other businesses could absolutely have the same incentives. We see similar acquisitions from Google, Facebook, etc. where products are absorbed into the parent company or otherwise shut down. However, there's a larger chance that the purchasing business has incentives that align with the company being purchased. An established and trusted brand is incredibly valuable; many parent companies would be content to let that business thrive as a semi-autonomous business unit.

Would you argue that PE is less or more likely to employ the strategy I've outlined in my original comment? My prior would be that PE is more likely to use that strategy than other businesses.

As always, I'm open to my views being changed on that. Clearly not all PE deals involve stripping a company down, and plenty of other businesses would be happy to strip a company down. As someone with more experience with PE, I'd be interested in your views and why you have different priors than me.

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Guess again my friend. Ate old canned food for a very long time while my parents declared bankruptcy as a kid - twice - so we at least had a roof over our head, and wore the same two shirts for years too. My Mom finished a 4 year degree several years afterwards that helped us pull out of the economic collapse of the aerospace industry in the area that had trapped us - and was studying late in the night to do it. Whil…

> my parents the battle cry of every 20-something laissez faire evangelist

Would you prefer the sob story of the time I had a partner go literally nuts (though she managed to dodged the psych eval for nearly 5 months until THAT got proven) due to COVID related stress and her own negligent actions and their consequences, and then file a series of crazy (and later proved perjury) accusations that locked me out of most of my finances, my home, and all but the property I was able to put on my back with roughly an hours notice - while I ended up single parenting two kids - all for no apparent reason?

Shit sucks sometimes. It's often hard or nearly impossible to cope. Sometimes the terribleness comes from those you loved the most, or least expected it from. Sometimes it comes from a literal random stranger. Life isn't fair, and there is no guarantee - and fundamentally cannot be - that things work out for anyone, no matter how right or wrong their actions.

Sometimes this kills someone directly. Sometimes it just wears them down, sometimes someone can take a direct hit to the face that would kill most others and just smile.

Often the bigger part of the damage or ongoing problems stem from our own inability to face reality, what is going on, and make use of the tools we do have and what we have around us to actually make things better - but that is a problem no one can fix but us. Ultimately, we end up with the consequences of this, deserved or not. There is no magic bullet to solve this either, just hard and uncomfortable work.

There are tools however, and our current society provides a LOT of them. I fully recognize how hard it is to use them during hard times. Probably more than 99% of the posters here. But pretending they don't exist or aren't available is BS as well. Pretending that they don't exist and that is why society is unfair and fucked up because of this is also just wrong and corrosive to society - and people even actually using these tools.

How many people read these posts and actually think there IS no other option and they're permanently fucked, and so never actually take the actions they can to make it better - or even take drastically worse actions that just compound the problem?

A lot more than anyone wants to think about, I can assure you.

Bankruptcy exists. I've seen many people use it (including one close friend) and everyone came out fine at the end. Was it embarrassing for them? Yes. Was it fun? No.

I've always worked my ass off and saved money to avoid the risk, and still barely survived, as I saw how unfun it was as a child and felt many of the effects first hand. But it worked for them to do it, and I knew I had the option if it went even further south.

The whole point of bankruptcy is to get the creditors off your back so you can actually get your life back on track again - like learn a useful skill, or get a new job despite the market being screwed, or not go homeless, or build back a functional life after crippling medical issues and/or debt.

Is it guaranteed that said person will do so? No - there is no way to even attempt to give such a guarantee.

Is it a useful tool someone can use to do so? Yes, you bet.

And if you think I'm 20, lol.

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It’s the default ‘easy’ answer - telling a bunch of people something that sucks is risky and scary and many times they don’t even know how to process it themselves, or that they will be ok if they do.

Yeah - I suspect they may be lying to themselves first. It’s also possible they rationalize it in some way that they’re “protecting their employees” from the bad news. In practice people like to be clued in to the truth and are more likely to respond positively to honesty in my experience.

100% agree. I also think we're (maybe?) starting to come out of a period where selling bald faced lies and bullshit was a major way to 'make it rich'. Or at least I hope.

There was a period where it was a requirement for an executive that they be credible and have a solid track record of under promising, over delivering, before they would ever be considered for leadership. Part of that comes with the experience to know (as in know in their bones, from direct experience) how important it is to be straightforward while not causing panic, and to set a solid and realistic direction instead of lying about it.

People required that of their leaders because they had seen and felt the anguish and loss that doing otherwise causes when it is something important. We've had a insane run of peace and prosperity, and it's easy to forget that and take the fluffy fun face instead.

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Any business can do this regardless of whether PE is involved. What's your point?

The difference is incentive structure. Running a business successfully is hard, and getting one to profitability is difficult. The easiest way to make money on a purchased business is to cut costs while people perceive it positively, ride that wave until the business isn't perceived positively, then sell the remaining assets. This method, given that it happens frequently, seems to be the easiest and most reliable way…

> This method, given that it happens frequently, seems to be the easiest and most reliable way to turn a profit

I think you're naively looking at the headlines of PE that focus on large cap buyouts. For every story about Toys R' Us, there are hundreds of PE buyouts that do no cost cutting and use PE capital to grow their businesses.

As I noted earlier, the big PE funds - Apollo, KKR, etc. - are notorious for stripping away large healthy brands and financially engineering them to leave them loaded up with debt. I can certainly appreciate why people think the whole industry is like this. For the record - not only do not I have access to these funds, I would politely decline working with them if I had the chance (we actually said no to biz with one of the big firms years ago). They easiest PE route is in fact investing in healthy businesses with good management teams and then selling them in 3~5 years when multiples naturally go up. The less work that is required to turn the business around the easier it is on the PE fund. Financial engineering and cost cutting is just a cheap trick that can only be used in certain situations.

There is a HUGE market of mid market PE firms that survive on growing both top line and earnings as a result of growth orientated initiatives, and don't leave the company hanging with swathes of debt. In fact, there is a category called Growth PE which has invested in many of the tech companies we discussed here. Look up Insight Venture Partners, TCV, Tiger Global, etc.

Happy to elaborate further if you're interested.

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I wonder how many university students are jealous of you? I spent three years doing a Bachelor of Engineering, which I consider three years lost. The piece of paper got me a job, but I certainly felt I was less valuable after finishing the degree than I was before it (negative learning is a thing).

Why do you feel that you were less valuable after you completed your degree?

I couldn't "Complete" my degree due to the whole UX program being shut down.

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This is a little ironic... - We really don't appreciate bullshit, all it does is erode trust - No, no, let me explain how bullshit is actually good for you...

Oh I’m not saying bullshit is good! I’m saying in some situations, with large enough groups of people? The non-bullshit isn’t going to be good either. There is a reason 99% of politics is bullshit. shrug

And it's working so great in politics. The party that's supposed to help the poor and downtrodden has managed to completely alienate them through precisely this kind of condescending manipulation.

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It's an issue in market information where regulation can't really work [1]. Vendors have a brand. They establish the value of the brand such that purchasers have a signal that they aren't going to be ripped off. For example you can be pretty sure coca-cola isn't going to cut costs to the point where they don't care about putting poison in the bottle - and you don't need regulation to know they won't do it. Zeus-Cola?…

How do you know you prefer unregulated markets? I'm coming up on 45 and through my whole life, markets have been regulated in favor of corporate officers and the government agencies and officials paid to represent them.

Could be an expression problem on my part. Perhaps I should have written "less regulated" as opposed "more regulated" markets. There's a regulation that when you buy something you can't shoot the counterparty and take your money back in most parts of the world so yes clearly "wholly unregulated" is largely fiction. In the same way that a (fully) regulated market such as a soviet style command economy usually has more than a few loopholes. Eg inmates in prison have a market that is as tightly regulated as anything in the world yet they work around it and it seems nobody has ever succeeded in keeping the drug trade out of jails.

The regulatory capture you refer to is one of the downsides of over-regulation. De-regulating is not necessarily a panacea for regulatory capture. Sometimes the regulatory body that has been captured has power of regulation that is in some way completely necessary and that is use as an excuse to institute an abusive barrier to entry or similar. Or just regulated to grow the career, influence & power of the persons who are charged with advising and enforcing the regulation.

Whether two people looking carefully and sensibly at a market see it the opposite way, one as over-regulated the other as under-regulated can be largely ideological and a good faith disagreement, both of whom can achieve a better understanding and policy prescription through sensible exchange of ideas - especially with regards important details like enforcement, corruption, abusive practice that is or could happen etc.. There isn't nearly enough of that about.

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Oh I’m not saying bullshit is good! I’m saying in some situations, with large enough groups of people? The non-bullshit isn’t going to be good either. There is a reason 99% of politics is bullshit. shrug

And it's working so great in politics. The party that's supposed to help the poor and downtrodden has managed to completely alienate them through precisely this kind of condescending manipulation.

As long as the other party alienates them even more, seems to still be working no?

Not like California is going Red anytime, well, ever, after all.

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