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Re: Former Facebook staffers launch Integrity Institute

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Oh hi! That’s me! (And a bunch of other folks). Happy to answer any questions. I also really like this founders note that we wrote. It’s in our own words, etc: https://integrityinstitute.org/founders-letter We are recruiting new members! If you work on integrity / trust and safety / antispam / content quality / etc, let’s talk.

I have a hypothesis. It goes like this.

Today all the major text-based social platforms work in about the same way: we type text into an empty little box that's threaded under another box. There are variations in ranking and flagging, but the basic mechanism is unchanged.

It is striking to me that, in all these years, we have explored only a tiny little corner of the design space. There are no mechanisms to lower the temperature when arguments get intense, for example. Nothing to help keep us from misconstruing comments out of context. Nothing to assist us in feeling compassion for the people we're talking to, or understanding their intent as they mean it to be understood. And so on. It's almost as though we sold millions of cars without brakes, everyone is crashing into things and hurting each other, and our response as a society is to throw up our hands and say "Welp, guess humans are just too stupid to drive cars safely."

Many people have suggested eliminating engagement as a metric and going back to purely chronological feeds. That sounds pretty reasonable given where "engagement" has gotten us so far.

But what if there were such a thing as "healthy engagement"?

The hypothesis is that healthy engagement is achievable. I don't know whether it is, but there's a huge range of design possibilities that we have yet to explore.

Do you know of anyone working on healthy engagement? Is it something you want to work on, or do you have any recommendations on starting an effort in this direction?

Re: Former Facebook staffers launch Integrity Institute

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>We respect your privacy. We will not share your data with anyone for marketing purposes. Yet the homepage has Google analytics and Squarespace cross site trackers. Not a great first impression.

Not everyone equates privacy maximalism with integrity. In fact, in the eyes of many people they are unrelated topics.

Re: Former Facebook staffers launch Integrity Institute

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Long before the Internet, you could go through an airport and be unable to avoid the Moonies & the followers of Lyndon LaRouche. You could find the book "None Dare Call It Treason" and lots of people did. "The Daily Worker" (newspaper of the US Communist Party) was readily available. Any of those groups could take out ads in the newspaper, or hold demonstrations (like the Nazi Party in Skokie, IL). There were UHF sta…

I might obviously be wrong but I do think it's different. People didn't spend a good chunk of their day at newspaper stands waiting for new content. No one got "The Daily Worker" recommended to them because of their person (age/sex/income/location/communication/...). I feel like that fact often gets ignored. The problem isn't that "problematic" content exists but that FB is actively shoving it down people's throats i…

It's different only because people new on the scene aren't familiar with what happened before they were born. Or even before they were on the scene.

Nothing is being "shoved down their throats" unless they choose to eat it.

Re: Former Facebook staffers launch Integrity Institute

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A reminder that Facebook's VP of integrity (Guy Rosen)[1] co-founded the spyware company, Onavo, that Facebook acquired. Onavo made a VPN that collected user activity and delivered it to Facebook.[2] [1] First temporary ( https://gizmodo.com/facebook-exec-gets-new-title-as-vp-of-in... ), then long-term ( https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/17/22731214/facebook-disput... ) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onavo

I see this mentioned on multiple threads. What is the accusation here? (FB employee, opinions are my own)

This here folks is why hiring out of FB is dangerous.

They've accepted the Zen of Zuck as being the way and are unable to see any moral or ethical ambiguity.

Re: Former Facebook staffers launch Integrity Institute

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's an easy test: was Onavo (or, for that matter, is Facebook) upfront with users about the data they were collecting and how they were using it? Or did they hide it behind legalese in the terms of service?

I don’t think even Apple passes this test though. (And I do consider Apple to much better privacy wise than other big tech)

We're not talking about Apple, though. You're presenting the context of Onavo's actions as though people weighed the pros and cons and made an informed decision about whether to use the app. I'm adding another bit of context that suggests people did not realize what Onavo was doing behind the scenes, and that Onavo concealed their behavior because otherwise people wouldn't use it.

Re: Former Facebook staffers launch Integrity Institute

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Related news (found on axios): Soros and other good guys have founded Good Information Inc. (actual company name, not a joke) to fight "misinformation", promote "good" news and take care of dumb peons in general who can't be trusted in forming their own opinions (for those opinions may be ungood).

Re: Former Facebook staffers launch Integrity Institute

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Oh hi! That’s me! (And a bunch of other folks). Happy to answer any questions. I also really like this founders note that we wrote. It’s in our own words, etc: https://integrityinstitute.org/founders-letter We are recruiting new members! If you work on integrity / trust and safety / antispam / content quality / etc, let’s talk.

Many PMs and engineers and laymen knew FB was a rotten product for a long time. I also assume a lot of people at this institute didn’t take the Alex Stamos (ex, short term FB CISO) U-turn either. So…

How is this effort not a virtue signaling by people that made their fortune on the back of this generation’s cigarettes, and now hoping to get traction on being listened to for fixing the mess they created?

Re: Former Facebook staffers launch Integrity Institute

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A reminder that Facebook's VP of integrity (Guy Rosen)[1] co-founded the spyware company, Onavo, that Facebook acquired. Onavo made a VPN that collected user activity and delivered it to Facebook.[2] [1] First temporary ( https://gizmodo.com/facebook-exec-gets-new-title-as-vp-of-in... ), then long-term ( https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/17/22731214/facebook-disput... ) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onavo

Facebook Integrity team is about user's integrity of not abusing Facebook services. It doesn't manage Facebook's integrity towards its users. There are overlaps (for example, some people may abuse the system by trick people to like a piece of content to promote misinformation). But the focus is about protecting Facebook services, not the user. Certainly not user's privacy in the realm of how Facebook uses it (how oth…

Related note: the famous "we value our users" means "we increase the lifetime value of our users" and that's not a snarky speculation.

Re: Former Facebook staffers launch Integrity Institute

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook Integrity team is about user's integrity of not abusing Facebook services. It doesn't manage Facebook's integrity towards its users. There are overlaps (for example, some people may abuse the system by trick people to like a piece of content to promote misinformation). But the focus is about protecting Facebook services, not the user. Certainly not user's privacy in the realm of how Facebook uses it (how oth…

Related note: the famous "we value our users" means "we increase the lifetime value of our users" and that's not a snarky speculation.

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