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FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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I've physically seen many police walking around crowded areas with assault rifles in France and Italy. Germany not as much but they do carry pistols iirc.

You've probably just seen the special counter-terrorism forces at one of the big French airports like CDG, as part of Vigipirate plan. These are not police but military. Half of city police forces don't even have firearms, let alone rifles.

This was not at an airport. I saw them definitely at least once just in the street, and also at some tourist attractions.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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Ditto. In nearly 30 years of living in the US I can only ever recall seeing police officers patrolling with long guns twice: once when I visited the US capitol, and once at a big festival/parade thing in Bellevue, WA. Seeing the officer in Bellevue patrolling with a long gun was actually quite unsettling. Even though all police in the US are armed and most have a long gun in their vehicle, they very rarely carry them…

It’s the bias of spending your life in unexciting places in the US, but visiting high-visibility terrorism targets (aka major tourist attractions, capitals, monuments and transport hubs) when abroad. Rest assured that the small town cops in Europe don’t patrol with MP5s, but that the marines at local US embassy (which is a high value target) occasionally do…

I've been to plenty of transport hubs, tourist attractions, capitols, etc. in the US, too. Or maybe I've been fortunate in that all the police in all the high-visibility places I've visited in the US don't patrol carrying long guns.

(And the only capitol I visited in Europe was Austria.)

> Rest assured that the small town cops in Europe don’t patrol with MP5s

I understand this. And it wasn't part of my post :)

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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> As they handcuffed him, his 9-year-old daughter cried in terror The police in America are well beyond the line of "citizen" police, you have the continental European model of two police forces, civil and military, and it's hard to see that there's much civil, it's more like ordinarily armed military force and a ready-for-war military force. It hasn't helped produce liberty or better enforcement in Europe, I can't s…

There is no model of a dual police in Europe that would have a tengible difference.

You have military police which is for the military.

You have police or polices for the civils. There may be one or two, they work the same and have the same prerogatives and way of working. The difference is in the colour of the uniform and some ego battles in the top management.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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> What are you talking about civil and military police in "continental Europe"? You just outlined it yourself, take away the military's own police and you have, in your words, 1. a police which polices regular peope and 2. sometimes a gendermerie which is sometimes nominally a part of the army You also go on to give several examples of this system being used in continental Europe. You could've added in Spain and Ital…

I asked because the gendermerie in most of the listed countries ( Spain, France, Italy) is nominally a part of the military ( a military branch like the army, navy, etc.) but is run by the respective Ministry of the Interior, and has a different scope. And most of all, they aren't more heavily armed than the regular police ( maybe slightly more than municipal police officers in the places that have them, but in Franc…

At least in France there is a history of hatred and ego between the Police Nationale and the Gendarmerie.

Since they do the same work, do not share and duplicate the efforts it wild make sense to just merge them.

But that would require some people to let go kingdoms.

Having worked extensively with both, the way they are organized today is a pity.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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You've probably just seen the special counter-terrorism forces at one of the big French airports like CDG, as part of Vigipirate plan. These are not police but military. Half of city police forces don't even have firearms, let alone rifles.

This was not at an airport. I saw them definitely at least once just in the street, and also at some tourist attractions.

Yes, they are part of the counter terrorist effort, called Vigipirate. They are military.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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I've physically seen many police walking around crowded areas with assault rifles in France and Italy. Germany not as much but they do carry pistols iirc.

Ditto. In nearly 30 years of living in the US I can only ever recall seeing police officers patrolling with long guns twice: once when I visited the US capitol, and once at a big festival/parade thing in Bellevue, WA. Seeing the officer in Bellevue patrolling with a long gun was actually quite unsettling. Even though all police in the US are armed and most have a long gun in their vehicle, they very rarely carry them…

It is a "terrorist thing" and one of the goals is to make them visible.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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Be more cynical. It can be morally and legally wrong to persecute the researchers all it wants to be, but historically might makes right and the state has an ever growing monopoly on force; which I have no opinion on as to whether it is good or bad - but it needs to in order to facilitate it's survival in an ever more connected and delicate yet growlingly chaotic world.

You live in a world of laws prescribed to you at their discretion. They can and will justify it infinitely and such legal actions are ramping up exceedingly since 2020 when it comes to the researchers.

I always wondered when they would come for the researchers, many of whom I find derivative projects of during incident reports. Many of the nation state actor and cybercriminal economy is fueled by the intellectualism of FOSS and university projects. It is only logical to assume Microsoft, Universities and the like don't take much of an approach in hosting such things like write-ups or FOSS cybersec tooling because they can offer the information of the authors on a silver platter to the feds when the time is right.

All those inclined to or capable of writing such things could thus be swept up in a targeted persecution from three letter agencies across NATO, forcing them either into labour or giving them fabricated charges at a show trial. You can consider the implications of a "Streisand" but the psychological value of such an event would outweigh any negative implications for such an operation.

Most of the security apparatus in the west are dull, but you have to understand how Machiavellian the people who give them the orders are.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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TL;DR a police officer from higher ground shot an armed, suicidal person in the leg so that he could not commit suicide and/or hurt his family members. Very well handled, my respect from NL. I cannot imagine this happening in USA, btw.

I feel compelled to add the following: The Gendarmerie Captain on scene then rushes to the man's mother, takes her in his arms and says "He's okay, he's okay. It was us. He's alive."

That's the Police I would fully trust, support, and definitely would want to have around when I need them.

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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If you don't know that there are paramilitary police forces in Europe then you may apprise yourself of the information here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paramilitary_organizat...

Just linking to Wikipedia doesn't help your argument. For The Netherlands, this includes two: KMar (who also secure airport like Schiphol) and DSI. It does not include for example regional AT (arrestatieteam, the equiv of a SWAT team). Every time a Dutch police officer uses their gun on the field (so exercise is excluded), there's an internal investigation, by default. If that'd happen in USA, you'd have a huge dept.…

France, Spain, Portugal, Italy - do they have a paramilitary police force that roams the streets or not?

Re: FBI raids researcher who discovered private patient data on public server (2016)

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No. > The factual bases of the government’s bare bones indictment are a handful of public tweets; a Facebook friend request and message sent to a public Facebook account; the following of a public Twitter account;1 and two emails to an FBI Agent – one with a “?” emoji and another inquiring about the status of a report of a patient privacy violation. > The Defendant made no attempt to mask his identity, and the FBI ne…

Wow so 8 mo in jail, his life gets ruined, and then they drop the larger charges? Sounds like they just wanted to ruin his life.

Just look what they did to Richard Jewell
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