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Why I didn’t apologize for that Yale Law School email

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Re: Why I didn’t apologize for that Yale Law School email

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> Look, if you use some particular language that other people find offensive, even if you didn’t mean it that way, just apologize.

I disagree. You apologize if you believe you did something wrong. If you do not feel what you did was wrong, do not apologize.

Re: Why I didn’t apologize for that Yale Law School email

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> The Yale administrators did not believe I had been racist by using the phrase “trap house.”

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> an email was sent to Yale Law’s entire second-year class “condemn[ing] in the strongest possible terms” the “pejorative and racist language” in the invitation.

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Yale Law administration was happy to lie to their entire second-year class.

If true, then the administration was more interested about protecting their brand, than caring about the health and wellbeing of any of their students

Re: Why I didn’t apologize for that Yale Law School email

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free speech on campus does actually mean freedom from consequences from the administration. Yale might not have to allow free speech on its campus, but it purports to. And what they did was a violation of that principle. And while the other students are free to harass him for invented crimes, he's free to call them out for doing so.

What consequences did he face from Yale? A couple of conversations with an Associate Dean and Director of DEI? An email stating that Yale didn't agree with his language? Oh, the horror! He's still at Yale Law School. His blog post is being circulated on Hacker News. Give me some of those consequences.

Threats from the administration, specifically threats they would report him to the bar C&F committee.

Re: Why I didn’t apologize for that Yale Law School email

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> Look, if you use some particular language that other people find offensive, even if you didn’t mean it that way, just apologize. I disagree. You apologize if you believe you did something wrong. If you do not feel what you did was wrong, do not apologize.

He’s certainly free to do that and that seems to be what ultimately happened. That being said, he’s free to experience the social consequences of showing himself to be unable or unwilling to read a room.

Re: Why I didn’t apologize for that Yale Law School email

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Mob: She's a witch!

Accused: Hold on. Let me explain. Some frogs hibernate and it was merely awaking after...

You: Just apologize. You were holding a frog that reanimated. Whether you intended to appear a witch or not, the mob thinks you are. That's what matters. So just bend to their demands and all will be well. The mob won't grow in power with yet another victim. Certainly they will never come for me. I'm an ally. Educate yourself. Be better.

Re: Why I didn’t apologize for that Yale Law School email

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Mob: She's a witch! Accused: Hold on. Let me explain. Some frogs hibernate and it was merely awaking after... You: Just apologize. You were holding a frog that reanimated. Whether you intended to appear a witch or not, the mob thinks you are. That's what matters. So just bend to their demands and all will be well. The mob won't grow in power with yet another victim. Certainly they will never come for me. I'm an ally.…

Be honest with what the situation is. This is completely about whether he used language that some people found offensive. They have the right to be offended, have the right to ask for an apology, and have the right to ask the university to demand an apology. No one is threatening death or bodily harm. It’s not a witch hunt.

shadowgovt phrased it well lower in the comment section:

> Honestly, Yale's administration is trying to help.

> This individual's major risk surface isn't what Yale will do to him... It's that his peers have filed his name away in their personal Rolodex-analog as "Someone very, very clueless about tone and reading a room." i.e. "Someone I don't want as partner in my law firm."

Re: Why I didn’t apologize for that Yale Law School email

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> The Yale administrators did not believe I had been racist by using the phrase “trap house.” + > an email was sent to Yale Law’s entire second-year class “condemn[ing] in the strongest possible terms” the “pejorative and racist language” in the invitation. == Yale Law administration was happy to lie to their entire second-year class. If true, then the administration was more interested about protecting their brand,…

"pejorative and racist language" does not equal being racist. The article seems pretty clear that the author had no idea the language had racial roots (if they can be called that given it's kinda racist to assume that a drug den is race related) and therefore they were not being racist. I take that at face value because I also only had a modern surface level knowledge of the term "trap house" from similar contexts.

In a way this seems like the perfect use for an "I'm sorry you were offended" "apology".

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