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Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by egypturnash »

hnarn wrote: post #481
dual_dingo wrote: post #473

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just upgraded to Monterey > I started to panic and figure out how I was going to back everything up. Upgrading to a new OS on release day without a prior backup. You like to live dangerously, do you?

This isn't Arch Linux we're talking about, it's the presumably tested and released operating system for the most premium personal computing hardware in the world. I'm not saying you shouldn't back up your stuff but your expectation on user behavior is unrealistic to put it mildly.

I've been using Macs since about 2000 and that was my reaction too; I remember being very glad I waited a bit after one release that deleted some user's entire iTunes libraries.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by tailspin2019 »

gcatlin wrote: post #218
EamonnMR wrote: post #185

If any apple product managers are reading this, the biggest thing holding MacOS back is that it global searches when you search a folder. I know there's a config setting for it, but dammit I want the default to be local file name search and full text search should be an off-by-default option, and search the whole hard drive should be a different also off by default option.

For those who are wondering what the config setting is: Finder -> Preferences -> Advanced -> When performing search: Search the current folder

Thank you

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by sneak »

Vuska wrote: post #522
sneak wrote: post #482

Big Sur is the first macOS since I have been using macOS (I distinctly recall being extremely excited to install System 7) where the next major version (Monterey) came out before I had installed it onto any of my daily driver systems. I'm not really sure what this says about macOS product management decisions, but I don't think it's a good thing. https://www.jwz.org/blog/2021/10/fucking-apple-4/ https://www.jwz.org/b…

These links go to a NSFW image if you have a Hacker News referrer.

jwz's been doing that for most of a decade now, approximately everyone who should know that already knows that.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by snowwrestler »

crawrey wrote: post #444

I just upgraded to Monterey on my Macbook Pro 2018 15-inch and after rebooting, all of the USB-C ports stopped working, including the power adapter. I spent some time on the phone with Apple Support trying to figure out how to fix it. After about an hour and a half there was about 18% battery left before I started to panic and figure out how I was going to back everything up. After panicking, the 3rd Apple Support Re…

Good example of why I usually wait for a few dot releases before upgrading MacOS.

I thank you and other early adopters (AKA QA testers) for your service.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by jonaustin »

hnarn wrote: post #481
dual_dingo wrote: post #473

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just upgraded to Monterey > I started to panic and figure out how I was going to back everything up. Upgrading to a new OS on release day without a prior backup. You like to live dangerously, do you?

This isn't Arch Linux we're talking about, it's the presumably tested and released operating system for the most premium personal computing hardware in the world. I'm not saying you shouldn't back up your stuff but your expectation on user behavior is unrealistic to put it mildly.

Honestly, this is some FUD; I've used Arch for 10 years; upgrading at least once a week, and the only time an upgrade has really messed things up was when they switched to systemd.

Also used Macbooks at work for 10 years, and I'm far more wary of apple upgrades.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by smoldesu »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #560
smoldesu wrote: post #178

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How does it fare in price/performance? I'd wager that's what will matter more than performance/watt to 90% of customers.

90% of customers only need MacBook airs, which have been at the top of price/performance for a decade.

Really? I'd love to see a source for how the $900 Intel MBAs stacked up against equivalently priced laptop hardware.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by culopatin »

5ersi wrote: post #534

Monterey seems to have fixed audio stutter I was constantly experiencing on Bluetooth headphones (AKG Y500). On BigSur every time the headphones reconnected I had to reset the Bluetooth module - btw, the reset option seems to be missing in Monterey. So that's a big improvement in my book.

While connected to 2.4Ghz wifi?

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by dsego »

hnarn wrote: post #481
dual_dingo wrote: post #473

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just upgraded to Monterey > I started to panic and figure out how I was going to back everything up. Upgrading to a new OS on release day without a prior backup. You like to live dangerously, do you?

This isn't Arch Linux we're talking about, it's the presumably tested and released operating system for the most premium personal computing hardware in the world. I'm not saying you shouldn't back up your stuff but your expectation on user behavior is unrealistic to put it mildly.

At least on linux you can have /home as a separate partition, which should reduce the risk of losing user data. Unless I'm completely wrong and this doesn't really matter that much during updates.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by diegof79 »

igouy wrote: post #435
diegof79 wrote: post #197

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I can imagine a few reasons for such stagnation: - Business: there isn't a strong business need to re-think the desktop UI. There are needs on mobile and the web, but improving the classic desktop doesn't give a competitive advantage (unless you can combine it with the web and mobile, which is exactly what Apple, Google, and MS are trying to do). - Developers: you need to attract developers to your platform too. Devs…

> The first complaint that you'll hear about St is: "where are my files and version control?" More like "Where's the program?" Early '80s Smalltalk did use change-sets in files. p462 "Smalltalk-80 The Interactive Programming Environment" https://rmod-files.lille.inria.fr/FreeBooks/TheInteractivePr... ---- You're right, Smalltalk is about "modifying objects that represent classes and methods" rather than editing files…

This wasn’t a critique to Pharo. Don’t get me wrong I worked using Smalltalk professionally for 3 years, and I contributed a small library to Squeak and Pharo.

My comment was about how difficult is to innovate in areas like the file system.

Pharo had to use git because is popular, not because is the best way to handle object versioning (eg Envy was much better at handling the history of your classes)

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by mulmen »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #506
joconde wrote: post #468

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The hidden close button is so dumb. Why make it so small and make it hide if I go 5 pixels away from the notification?

It’s one of the least user friendly patterns in the OS that I can think of off hand, yet one that I have to interact with dozens of times per day. It’s bizarre.

I just realized that the button is impossible to interact with on Monterey. The only way to get the "options" drop down (something that used to be individual buttons on the notification) to appear is to hover over the "X" but if you move the mouse away from that the options drop down disappears. There's actually no way to do something like snooze a notification from the notification itself.

It's an astonishing regression in functionality, even for Apple. And with Apple's recent UI "improvements" I'm not sure if it is a bug or deliberate. I'm probably holding it wrong but I can't figure out the combination of interactions to get that button to persist.

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