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Why I didn’t apologize for that Yale Law School email

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Re: Why I didn’t apologize for that Yale Law School email

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Funny that someone in law school doesn't seem to grasp that free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

You serious? Did you read his email that was allegedly so offensive the dean drafted an apology letter for him?

I rarely use this term, but – clown world. Absolute clown world. You are one of the clowns, congrats.

Re: Why I didn’t apologize for that Yale Law School email

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Being offended does not give you the undeniable power to demand apologies.

They are as free to be offended or request an appology as the author is to say what they like. Everyone is quite litterally free.

Everyone is also free to judge these people on their actions.

Re: Why I didn’t apologize for that Yale Law School email

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Being offended does not give you the undeniable power to demand apologies.

You can demand anything at any time. Doesn't mean you're getting one. He said something that people took offense to. They demanded an apology. He didn't apologize. I'm not sure why this necessitated a blog article, much less one circulated on Hacker News.

For what it's worth, I'm a white guy who grew up in poverty and have seen more than one trap house. I'm uncomfortable about the use of trap house here, because it's ridiculous. Yale Law School is one of the most privileged places in the US. It demeans the experiences of people who have been subjected to actual poverty and drug-infested areas to equate anything at Yale with a trap house.

Re: Why I didn’t apologize for that Yale Law School email

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Being offended does not give you the undeniable power to demand apologies.

From the ancient human custom of group shunning to the modern dragging, when a person is outside the good graces of their community, they are under threat.

When lots of people are offended, they have the power to refrain from interacting with an individual. And we are social creatures.

Practically speaking, one's power to demand an apology is proportional to what happens to the demandee if you decide they aren't worth interacting with in the future. If you're a social, political, or corporate leader, or a member of a union (formal or informal / social), it can be quite a lot of power.

Re: Why I didn’t apologize for that Yale Law School email

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Funny that someone in law school doesn't seem to grasp that free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

Free speech on campus does actually mean freedom from consequences from the administration. Yale might not have to allow free speech on its campus, but it purports to. And what they did was a violation of that principle. And while the other students are free to harass him for invented crimes, he's free to call them out for doing so.

What consequences did he face from Yale? A couple of conversations with an Associate Dean and Director of DEI? An email stating that Yale didn't agree with his language? Oh, the horror!

He's still at Yale Law School. His blog post is being circulated on Hacker News. Give me some of those consequences.

Re: Why I didn’t apologize for that Yale Law School email

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Being offended does not give you the undeniable power to demand apologies.

You can demand anything at any time. Doesn't mean you're getting one. He said something that people took offense to. They demanded an apology. He didn't apologize. I'm not sure why this necessitated a blog article, much less one circulated on Hacker News. For what it's worth, I'm a white guy who grew up in poverty and have seen more than one trap house. I'm uncomfortable about the use of trap house here, because it's…

Was it such an offensive message that it deserved letters to administration claiming the author is racially insensitive? Was it so offensive, that it required school administrators to hurriedly draft a template apology to make it go away?

As the author said, the term trap house has a common colloquial meaning among certain people; whether one finds it offensive from a "triggering" perspective, it is not in good faith to ignore that and have the person kicked out of a career, in my opinion.

Re: Why I didn’t apologize for that Yale Law School email

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Funny that someone in law school doesn't seem to grasp that free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

Free speech on campus does actually mean freedom from consequences from the administration. Yale might not have to allow free speech on its campus, but it purports to. And what they did was a violation of that principle. And while the other students are free to harass him for invented crimes, he's free to call them out for doing so.

Honestly, Yale's administration is trying to help.

This individual's major risk surface isn't what Yale will do to him... It's that his peers have filed his name away in their personal Rolodex-analog as "Someone very, very clueless about tone and reading a room." i.e. "Someone I don't want as partner in my law firm."

And the legal profession is (relatively speaking) a tiny community... But big enough that there's rarely only one choice of who to work with. He's severely curtailing his potential future options if he doesn't recognize the value of keeping contacts smooth with relative strangers.

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