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Pidgin was extremely convenient. But it was commoditizing messaging platforms so of course it had to be shot in the head by them.
who's them?
No need to pretend that what the previous comment was saying is some kind of conspiracy when it's obvious that business gonna business.
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Of course the protocols Pidgin bridged were only used for real-time communication, rather than for leaving messages which could be attended to (or delivered) later.
No, it wasn't. Yahoo had offline messages. So did many of its other protocols.
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No, it wasn't a "service" - it was a program. Unlike this thing. The main difference between this and Pidgin seems to be that you pay a monthly fee for someone to man-in-the-middle all your communications.
It is a service, because the bridge is a software that need to be keep operational 24/24h and sometimes this is not so trivial (if I don't get wrong WA need an Android emulator running).
> It’s also worth noting that end-to-end encryption is necessarily broken as messages to (and from) WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram pass across the bridge(s). The bridge(s) operates in Element’s trusted EMS environment, with no content scanning or datamining, but currently bridged conversations are not stored end-to-end encrypted in Matrix (they will be in the future). As a Signal user, I kind of don't want this to tak…
If you want to avoid your E2EE conversations on Signal or WhatsApp being relayed via a service like Element One (because you’re an activist or whatever), then your options are to not bridge at all, or run a bridge yourself. Clientside bridging may be an option in future, but reliably running a bridge in the background on mobile is somewhere between non-trivial and impossible.
Finally, we are currently crunching on getting E2EE to work nicely between the bridges and the Matrix clients (so bridged conversations are stored E2EE on the Element One server) and it should be coming in the coming weeks. It’s worth noting again that even when that lands the bridge will still necessarily be able to see bridged conversations at the point of bridging.
TL;DR: if you don’t trust Element with your Signal conversations for whatever reason, don’t hook up Signal to your Element One account :)
Back in the day before the rise of Facebook, there was an open source service that combined all the popular messaging protocols - MSN, AoL, IRC, etc. It was called Pidgin[0], and it never got particularly big. I see the same thing here. While it's interesting, I'm failing to see what the use case is. What's the niche that needs this solved in a big way? [0] https://www.pidgin.im/
Back in the day and for a little while platforms companies thought to at least have a common language (xmpp). Then they thought it would be a better idea if we all had 10 different apps on our phones for text messages. There's no reason for standardization and interoperability not to be forced on these companies. When you sent a physical letter you have to follow some standards on the envelope addresses, when you mak…
This is nicely timed. Brief history: when Hangouts was going away and Google Chat coming in, I pitched Matrix to my friends as a better alternative that didn't require unique phone numbers, awkward desktop limitations, and a better federated future. We stuck with Google Chat because inertia and networks suck that way. I revisited the instance I had setup and got the mautrix-googlechat bridge working. It's pretty nice…
Beeper implements Google Chat. I've been using it, it works really well. https://www.beeper.com/
I'm just yelling here to take my money, but nobody answers.
> It’s also worth noting that end-to-end encryption is necessarily broken as messages to (and from) WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram pass across the bridge(s). The bridge(s) operates in Element’s trusted EMS environment, with no content scanning or datamining, but currently bridged conversations are not stored end-to-end encrypted in Matrix (they will be in the future). As a Signal user, I kind of don't want this to tak…
You can self-host. I suspect they use this: https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy