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Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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authorityofnil wrote: post #233
yxhuvud wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And if you live in a cold country, you have to heat up the house six months per year, TDP is just heating with a computing side effect. Except it is still direct electrical heating which is atrociously inefficient.

>Except it is still direct electrical heating which is atrociously inefficient. Electric heating converts practically all energy into heat, making it ~100% efficient. You can make statements about cost-effectiveness compared to burning things, but not all houses can. CHP configurations are more common in colder climates with district heating, so their "waste" heat during generation often isn't wasted at all.

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Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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Post by gjm11 »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #153
paulmd wrote: post #124

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Just to humor you I looked it up - your Xeon W-11955M is the same chip as a consumer 11980HK, which is one of the processors in Anandtech’s benchmark. Same cores, same cache, same clocks, slightly lower TDP limit - the consumer one has a 65W boost configuration. It is the same TGL-H die with (very slight) variations in what feature fuses are blown. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Lake#List_of_Tiger_Lake_... So ba…

The m1 max TDP is projected to be 90W. The Xeon is 45W. https://newsbeezer.com/franceeng/the-tdp-of-the-apple-m1-max... Now here's that Xeon beating that 11090HK. Hmm, same CPU according to you. Wonder why that is. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-Xeon-W-11955M-vs-... Sorry, I stopped reading after your first line.

> The m1 max TDP is projected to be 90W. The Xeon is 45W.

That article says that the M1 Max CPU TDP will be ~30W. The 90W figure is for the whole chip, which includes the GPU. The Xeon is just the CPU.

> here's that Xeon beating that 11090HK.

The CPUmark figure is 24092 for the Xeon, versus 23549 for the i9. That's a difference of about 2%. I suspect it's mostly down to statistical error. (Maybe it's also true that the Xeons tend to be put in systems whose other hardware is faster; I can see that going either way.)

Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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Post by marcellus23 »

eertami wrote: post #256
reacharavindh wrote: post #222

Just for fun, I would run PostgreSQL on this Mac with 64GB of memory and see how it flies. Heck even install Linux on it and then put on Postgres. It might just put some baremetal servers to shame if 64GiB of memory is enough. If only I had enough money to splurge on such curiosity experiments… :-( For my personal machine, I’d wait for Framework with Ryzen 5000 series…

>Heck even install Linux on it Good luck with that... it's the one thing that doesn't seem to come up in these comparisons. At least with the Ryzen/Intel CPUs you can easily install Linux - but until this is true of the M1 chips then these benchmarks aren't all that useful.

> it's the one thing that doesn't seem to come up in these comparisons

it would be odd for an article about graphical performance benchmarking to start talking about OS compatibility.

Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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Post by yxhuvud »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #244
yxhuvud wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And if you live in a cold country, you have to heat up the house six months per year, TDP is just heating with a computing side effect. Except it is still direct electrical heating which is atrociously inefficient.

It's 100 efficient, and the amount of houses with a heat pump is <1%

Here in Sweden, roughly 50% of all small houses (ie one household) have a heat pump. Direct electricity heating is just somewhere around 15%.

In bigger houses direct electricity just isn't a thing, most have some sort of central heating, and lots have either some combustion or heat pump solution. The latter is gaining.

Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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Post by yxhuvud »

authorityofnil wrote: post #233
yxhuvud wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And if you live in a cold country, you have to heat up the house six months per year, TDP is just heating with a computing side effect. Except it is still direct electrical heating which is atrociously inefficient.

>Except it is still direct electrical heating which is atrociously inefficient. Electric heating converts practically all energy into heat, making it ~100% efficient. You can make statements about cost-effectiveness compared to burning things, but not all houses can. CHP configurations are more common in colder climates with district heating, so their "waste" heat during generation often isn't wasted at all.

> Electric heating converts practically all energy into heat

No, not even close. There are huge losses in electricity production and transmission.

Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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Post by Joeri »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #106
defaultname wrote: post #24

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Can you name those laptop Xeon CPUs that beat the pants off the M1 Max? [Spoiler because I don't think I'll get a response -- there are none. Even when you get into the "luggable" category of workstation that is ostensibly portable but really needs to be plugged in, there is no competition right now. The upcoming Alder Lake should significantly improve Intel's entrant in this category, and hopefully brings some real…

Xeon W-11855M (6 cores) Xeon W-11955M (8 cores)

Those are slower than the 10 core m1 pro.

Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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Post by iSnow »

partiallypro wrote: post #55
MangoCoffee wrote: post #9

>in order to give the M1 Max some real competition, one has to skip laptop chips entirely and reach for not just high end desktop chips, but for server-class workstation hardware to really beat the M1 Max this is really interesting

Intel's Alder Lake benchmarks show that their new mobile processor is faster than the M1 Max. So, this domination doesn't seem to be a long term thing.

Seems doubtful to me.

Apple doesn't have to score the absolute highest in performance. For better or worse, they need a credible high-end chip that they can marry with their proprietary OS and computer designs to win customers via a compelling package not some benchmark result.

After the M1*, intel is facing an uphill fight to keep other laptop manufacturers on x86. They may well pull together and come out stronger, but the last 10y haven't been stellar and Apple exposed that weakness.

So, will intel win back some of the performance benchmarks? Sure, no doubt. But will Dell win over Apple customers using the latest intel chips? Let's see...

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Post by rsynnott »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #17
MangoCoffee wrote: post #9

>in order to give the M1 Max some real competition, one has to skip laptop chips entirely and reach for not just high end desktop chips, but for server-class workstation hardware to really beat the M1 Max this is really interesting

and quite false. there are many laptop xeon CPUs. while costing more than the M1 Max, they beat the pants off it.

Laptop Xeons generally won't be doing too well here; I'm fairly certain they're _all_ smaller than the Xeon in the Mac Pro mentioned in the article.

Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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Post by stemc43 »

tim-- wrote: post #18
pier25 wrote: post #14

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Not the Intel Xeon W-3245 which is from 2019. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/193753/...

Still, the going price for a W-3245 is more than $2,000. That's just the CPU, no memory, motherboard or anything else. A 16" MacBook with 16GB of RAM is $2,499. The MacBook comes with a free display, input devices and a UPS :)

Apple managed to book entire TSMC 5nm production or close to all last year - that's the main reason for this performance. and by managed - its passed on consumer ofc.

ill just wait for amd 5nm offering that will also be in ram/cpu upgreadeable form factors and Linux compatible out of the box for half the price.

Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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Post by rsynnott »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #106
defaultname wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name those laptop Xeon CPUs that beat the pants off the M1 Max? [Spoiler because I don't think I'll get a response -- there are none. Even when you get into the "luggable" category of workstation that is ostensibly portable but really needs to be plugged in, there is no competition right now. The upcoming Alder Lake should significantly improve Intel's entrant in this category, and hopefully brings some real…

Xeon W-11855M (6 cores) Xeon W-11955M (8 cores)

This 16 core $2000 part from the article only marginally beat the M1 Max, so seems somewhat unlikely that those smaller Xeons would do that well: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/193753/...
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