He really missed an opportunity here by not making the project "Sam Altcoin".
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA COME ON.
But seriously, damn are this the best we can come up with other than captchas good lord so dystopian
Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'
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#82Re: Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'
#83Worldcoin issues tokens to people for scanning their retinas. Their magical orb device sends a biometric hash to their network. Here's my take on it: You can possibly replace their biometric device with a random hash generator. * If it works, it means the currency is not fairly distributed, but anyone sending valid hashes to their network is issued tokens, irrespective of whether the eyeballs described by those hashe…
While I don't care about Worldcoin (I think it will fail, because they are solving the problem that does not exist), this post is false in multiple ways. First, retina scanning output hash is deterministic - it is supposed to generate the same result for the same eyeball. So it can't be replaced with random number generation. Second, network does not interpret hashes, except for making sure that single hash is awarde…
> First, retina scanning output hash is deterministic - it is supposed to generate the same result for the same eyeball. So it can't be replaced with random number generation.
I don’t know much about retinal scanning. But for this use case, wouldn’t it be trivial to fake via something like different coloured contact lenses?
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#84This is just so wrong in so many different ways, it actually fills me with despair to think that there are people somewhere who actually think this is in some ways a good idea. To the point of wondering if there is some way of organising more direct action to stop this kind of disaster from befalling the human race.
This might be an onpopular opinion on here, but I think that software (and hardware) development needs to be regulated, similar to pharma or other regulated industries.
The regulation can take into account several factors to make the barrier for smaller projects not too high.
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#85Incredible how out of touch the Silicon Valley elite is with the real world.
When I left Silicon Valley, it was to escape the bubble. What you wrote is what I felt. But in hindsight, I think "Silicon Valley is out of touch with the real world" is too innocuous. Obviously, it is, but a lot of the "elite" aren't just happily enjoying their bubble. They are intent on shaping "the real world", and they have enough resources and influence to be successful some of the time.
I doubt very much that the masses will be scanning their retinas into The Orb so that they can get Worldcoin, but these people are not going to stop coming for your retina, your DNA, even more of your digital fingerprints, etc. Sadly, they're eventually likely to get it all.
Re: Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'
#86Worldcoin issues tokens to people for scanning their retinas. Their magical orb device sends a biometric hash to their network. Here's my take on it: You can possibly replace their biometric device with a random hash generator. * If it works, it means the currency is not fairly distributed, but anyone sending valid hashes to their network is issued tokens, irrespective of whether the eyeballs described by those hashe…
I wouldn't call the coin distribution fair if the creators can allocate arbitrary amounts to themselves, which the Worldcoin creators appear able to do. Then again, even PoW coins with no premine can be unfair if most of the long-term supply gets distributed in just the first few years, leaving only crumbs for late adopters.
> I wouldn't call the coin distribution fair if the creators can allocate arbitrary amounts to themselves, which the Worldcoin creators appear able to do.
I'm certainly not defending any of this … however, it should be noted that "creators can allocate arbitrary amounts to themselves" is a typical thing even in regulated markets. Notice how Trump's new social media became a public company through a SPAC? The man behind that move has two degrees from MIT.
If you want to go down that rabbit hole, go for it. But people become very wealthy, very fast, via allocating "arbitrary amounts to themselves" even in regulated markets. Financial shenanigans.
If you haven't heard of the $100 million deli in New Jersey, feel free to Google that one.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
It can be done in following way. Orb can have a baked-in private key (on hardware level). Public keys are stored in the blockchain. Each hash is signed by the private key stored in the orb.
That's orthogonal to the point. Here's the scenario: 1. User has a "fake" biometric A, generated via GAN or [1], that's cheap and easy to produce. 2. Suppose they can present A to any orb device, generating hash(A), which signs hash(A) using its built-in private key as usual. As long as the user can generate a fake iris biometric scan accepted by an orb, no other part of the system needs to be compromised for this at…
See my original post. It's pretty clear that process of initial distribution of tokens is not open. Volunteers are likely contributing lots of private data to the company to get their hands on orbs.
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#88This is one of the most disturbing things I’ve read in quite some time. The implications of all of it and all the bad avenues it could go down chill me. A person’s right to anonymity gone forever. I think all people should deserve the right to disappear and be unknown if they don’t have IDs on them. I understand what Sam is going for here (equitable distribution of wealth) but this is absolutely the wrong way to go a…
It seems Sam is going for his wealth before equal distribution of wealth.
Furthermore, according to https://worldcoin.org/how-it-works, it seems the billionaires are planning on enriching themselves by exploiting individuals in some of the poorer nations first (Chile, Kenya, Indonesia, Sudan). (According to GDP per capita at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)..., Chile is 80, Indonesia is 132, Kenya is 176, and Sudan is 181.)
Re: Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'
#89Worldcoin issues tokens to people for scanning their retinas. Their magical orb device sends a biometric hash to their network. Here's my take on it: You can possibly replace their biometric device with a random hash generator. * If it works, it means the currency is not fairly distributed, but anyone sending valid hashes to their network is issued tokens, irrespective of whether the eyeballs described by those hashe…
I wouldn't call the coin distribution fair if the creators can allocate arbitrary amounts to themselves, which the Worldcoin creators appear able to do. Then again, even PoW coins with no premine can be unfair if most of the long-term supply gets distributed in just the first few years, leaving only crumbs for late adopters.
>Then again, even PoW coins with no premine can be unfair [...]
It's "fair" if you're referring to equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kids or coworkers are not going to make fake fingerprints to mess with me. What they can do is to see password or pin code while I am typing those over my shoulder. Someone on the street also won't be able to see my pin code for unlocking phone if I use fingerprint. Those are scenarios that biometrics are handling really well. Biometrics against sophisticated attackers is not good idea. I don't encounter in my life "…
But you can "forget" your PIN, you can't forget your iris.
It could be damaged or destroyed.