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Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'

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Re: Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No you can't. The whole point is to every everybody have only 1 entry / key. The concept is simple: give everybody an equal amount of coins. You need a unique identifier / derivative of it

> You need a unique identifier / derivative of it What prevents anyone from mass-generating unique identifiers?

Same is true for all private keys

Re: Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'

#52

This is one of the most disturbing things I’ve read in quite some time. The implications of all of it and all the bad avenues it could go down chill me. A person’s right to anonymity gone forever. I think all people should deserve the right to disappear and be unknown if they don’t have IDs on them. I understand what Sam is going for here (equitable distribution of wealth) but this is absolutely the wrong way to go a…

It seems Sam is going for his wealth before equal distribution of wealth.

Re: Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'

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post #26
post #8

Worldcoin issues tokens to people for scanning their retinas. Their magical orb device sends a biometric hash to their network. Here's my take on it: You can possibly replace their biometric device with a random hash generator. * If it works, it means the currency is not fairly distributed, but anyone sending valid hashes to their network is issued tokens, irrespective of whether the eyeballs described by those hashe…

While I don't care about Worldcoin (I think it will fail, because they are solving the problem that does not exist), this post is false in multiple ways. First, retina scanning output hash is deterministic - it is supposed to generate the same result for the same eyeball. So it can't be replaced with random number generation. Second, network does not interpret hashes, except for making sure that single hash is awarde…

So… then why do they need retina scans? If the whole process has tons of checks and balances, it sounds a lot like the normal verification processes followed by governments for IDs/Visas.

Re: Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'

#54
1) previously you had to worry only about browser fingerprinting to avoid being tracked

2) currently some countries planning/want to implement covid check-in at every place you wanna enter

3) and now you have to worry that some private company want to make a modern fingerprint (irisprint?) that most likely is going to be used to at least another way of ad tracking.

However with 3) you won't be able to easily protect yourself - you cannot change eyeballs. Maybe you will have to wear some special contact lenses.

Re: Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'

#55
I like the idea of a unique identity per person but I'm unsure about security:

- Iris scans have false positives at scale

- You can have eye surgery changing your iris

- Cheap scanners can be fooled by photos, so you'd need to require live-tissue scanners which are really expensive

Re: Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'

#57
post #8

Worldcoin issues tokens to people for scanning their retinas. Their magical orb device sends a biometric hash to their network. Here's my take on it: You can possibly replace their biometric device with a random hash generator. * If it works, it means the currency is not fairly distributed, but anyone sending valid hashes to their network is issued tokens, irrespective of whether the eyeballs described by those hashe…

Correct but efficacy of this process is pretty much irrelevant for the founders because the whole "fair distribution" is just a marketing gimmick to promote yet another shitcoin.

Only losers will provide their real retinas. Smart players will obviously game the system and then dump the shitcoin on yet another group of losers.

Re: Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'

#58
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> First, retina scanning output hash is deterministic - it is supposed to generate the same result for the same eyeball. So it can't be replaced with random number generation. His argument is valid, what stops you from replacing the retina scan with a random hash replicating a different person scanning each time and collecting new tokens? What ties the hash to the actual retina other than the device that you can mess…

Presumably the orbs produce a verifiable type of hash. E.g. whatever output it has is also encrypted with their private key + some salt and you can always check if what a user provides has that.

It can be done in following way. Orb can have a baked-in private key (on hardware level). Public keys are stored in the blockchain. Each hash is signed by the private key stored in the orb.
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