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"In the future we will be lucky to have apps that work offline with local data. " Are you from the past? This here is 2021. And right here, the expensive, professional apps still lets you grudgingly do it, but small/casual apps that work really offline? That became rare. Usually it is mainly server and some local cache, you better take care of, if you are in an area with bad connection. But more and more of my peers…
Office, creative suite, and your flavor of pdf viewer still all work primarily off local files since cloud storage vendors all compete and don’t interconnect except at integration for the endpoint.
Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker
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#522Earlier quoted context omitted.
Call me when you can run real drivers in DOSBox-X. And, still, XDOSemu+FreeDOS runs circles over DOSBox and DOSBox-x.
> Call me when you can run real drivers in DOSBox-X. That's exactly what i don't want. >And, still, XDOSemu+FreeDOS runs circles over DOSBox and DOSBox-x. No, not really have you even installed FreeDOS once? BTW the FreeDOS developers will perfectly tell you that they have no interest in being dos game focused...and you can feel that 50% of all games just refuse to run...that's not the case with MSDOS 5.22.
FreeDOS runs the 99% of software and drivers available for DOS.
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It is downright pathetic of you to attempt to differentiate between desktop and mobile signing keys. Epic made it clear that they can’t be trusted with any kind of signing keys.
Apple made a distinction for desktop that the keys there were to be for security only. The iOS stuff was a payment/business dispute, not security related.
Epic promised not to do certain things, but they decided to break that promise. You can call that a “business dispute”, but that doesn’t portray Epic as any less untrustworthy. Epic obviously can’t be trusted to not abuse their signing keys.
Why should Apple allow a known untrustworthy party to sign OS X apps? Honestly, the idea that you should somehow separate these things is probably the stupidest thing I’ve heard during all of my years on HN.
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The fact that, by design, you (the owner) can't make the TPM give you all of its secret keys, means that you don't have control over your device.
Does it? I can't make my microwave work with the door open either. The whole "point" of a TPM is that the user can create, use, and delete keys inside of it, with the promise that the keys won't come out. TPMs are just smart cards. Would you say that you don't have control over a smart card because you can't get the keys out of it? I'd say I DO have control over the smartcard, because I authorize and de-authorize the…
1. Under no circumstances would they ever be sold with any private keys already on them
2. There would be no way to prove or determine after the fact whether a given key was generated internally or imported from an external source
If those two things were true, then you'd still be able to get 100% of the legitimate security benefit of them, but they'd be completely unusable for DRM and other evil things.
Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker
#525The article mentions Process Explorer. Since Sysinternals were bought by Microsoft many years ago and the tools are distributed directly via Microsoft, such tools are unlikely to have an issue being signed. A brief history of the process for those not following it. Originally for kernel-mode drivers, you needed a code signing certificate cross signed by Microsoft's root . This means that the certificate follows a cha…
Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker
#526An immensly powerful and useful tool. Can't live without it. Hopefully the situation resolves soon. What is it with MS these past few months? It's like they're trying to throw away the little community goodwill they managed to build up over the years.
Quite a lot of community goodwill, unfairly granted. I've lost count of how many times I've read on this very forum, "calling it Micro$oft is childish, they're a changed company, Nadella is better than Ballmer, etc". They are as hostile to free software as they ever were. Why wouldn't they be? It's antithetical to their business model. The only thing that's changed is how sneaky they are about their time-honored tact…
Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker
#527Time to add the right to use a computer as you see fit in the human rights, before it's too late...
Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker
#528Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Call me when you can run real drivers in DOSBox-X. That's exactly what i don't want. >And, still, XDOSemu+FreeDOS runs circles over DOSBox and DOSBox-x. No, not really have you even installed FreeDOS once? BTW the FreeDOS developers will perfectly tell you that they have no interest in being dos game focused...and you can feel that 50% of all games just refuse to run...that's not the case with MSDOS 5.22.
I can feel that your comment is utterly bullshit. FreeDOS runs the 99% of software and drivers available for DOS.
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All this does make Microsoft sound very reasonable, actually. People have been painting dystopian pictures of an ultra-locked down hardware future, complete with evil corporate overlordship etc for many years. Really as long as I've been using computers. Yet, here we are in 2021 and not only old hardware is still open but newly designed hardware too, and Microsoft has even been ensuring that platforms which didn't ge…
Given Microsoft's losses with eg Windows mobile, their late entry into the cloud space, giving up on making their own web browser (engine), Microsoft's forced to play nice in order to compete. I don't understand your second part though. What is the "step up" available to Linux vendors that they didn't do?
1. Computer makers want to sell computers to the masses. This is reasonable.
2. The masses don't want un-removable malware that renders their virus scanners useless. Also reasonable.
3. Malware writers want to beat virus scanners by taking over the OS before it even boots, which is an unassailable position for them. This is "reasonable" from their POV. Likewise, computer makers - not just Microsoft - want to stop this from happening because it's a kinda game over move and there's nothing that really prevents it (pre UEFI) other than the fact that the programming is kind of tricky.
4. To fix this the computer maker must have some opinion about what the computer is willing to boot. Boot-loading code is henceforth separated into "good" code that makes users happy by letting them surf the web, print etc and "bad" code that makes users unhappy by screwing with their machine and data and possibly bank accounts. This appears to be unavoidable and can be implemented with cryptography.
5. But computer makers don't really want to have such an opinion because it's a live wire for geeks who run obscure operating systems. They just want to get rid of malware. So they need a default, reasonable whitelist that will make users happy, and then a way to edit that whitelist that is too difficult for users to get phished or scammed into doing by accident. Whitelisting public keys in the UEFI/BIOS screen seems like a reasonable approach to this.
6. To have a signing key that's shipped out of the box you must agree to some simple rules, like, you must actually not be malware, and you must not accidentally sign malware, and you must protect your key, and you must not sign a piece of software so open that it can be trivially wrapped around malware. The first three are easy but the sorts of guarantees best made by an institution, not an individual. Microsoft is an institution. "Linux hackers" are not. But, there is a Linux Foundation that could play the role and helpfully already own the Linux trademark (I think), so they already kinda get to decide what is and isn't really Linux.
7. The final condition is the harder one because it implies a chain of trust. Otherwise the malware writer can just create a bespoke Linux that boots into a minimalist Linux environment and then immediately unloads Linux and chains onwards to a patched Windows. So each whitelisted Linux distro needs to have a default opinion about what can run in kernel mode that is (again) overridable, but only by people who know what they're doing. Which Linux can do, via module signing. So no technical problem here.
8. At this point Linux vendors appear to have flounced out of the room and collectively decided they can tell the PC industry what to do by refusing to take part in the process. They were wrong, nobody gives a shit about desktop Linux because it has hardly any users. However they only realized this way too late, by which time PCs were already shipping without any Linux Foundation keys in the whitelist. What to do?
9. Answer: go crying to your primary competitor and pressure them/ask them nicely to fix your fuckup by using their own cert to sign your operating systems.
This is kind of pathetic and it appears the Linux community has still never got its act together and set up a key whitelisting process.
Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker
#530Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple made a distinction for desktop that the keys there were to be for security only. The iOS stuff was a payment/business dispute, not security related.
This is completely ridiculous. Epic agreed to not sign certain software, but they did. Epic promised not to do certain things, but they decided to break that promise. You can call that a “business dispute”, but that doesn’t portray Epic as any less untrustworthy. Epic obviously can’t be trusted to not abuse their signing keys. Why should Apple allow a known untrustworthy party to sign OS X apps? Honestly, the idea th…
Apple even promised: security only for keys on desktop, none of their iOS control games.