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I’ve been reading a whole lot about tomatoes

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Re: I’ve been reading a whole lot about tomatoes

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Interesting, but not that dissimilar to the United States. I grow a couple thousand acres of tomatoes in California, all of which are for processing into juices and pastes. These tomatoes are all transported in open-topped trailers by semi, and the losses have always bothered me. There is a tight turn just after leaving our property and the pile of tomatoes there grows steadily with the season as they roll off the to…

The fusarium fungus fact is truly useful info. Thank you.

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We (Optimal Agriculture) have built an autonomous growing system for high-tech greenhouses and have achieved 'superhuman' performance in a recent tomato trial. We collect a bunch of sensory data about the crop and growing environment, run cloud-based optimisation, and then control the actuators of the greenhouse autonomously (lighting, screening, heating, cooling, irrigation, etc). We are turning $100M greenhouse fac…

I have been somewhat obsessed with the idea of floating greenhouses. The economics are different than operating a farm on land but with automation it could be possible to deliver superior produce directly to coastal population centers at lower costs.

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An interesting tidbit about tomatoes, and other nightshades: They contain nicotine! https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10552617/

I am one of the rare people for which tomatoes taste like poison.

That is a shame. Although I did not much like tomatoes until I was an adult, I certainly adore them today.

But it is a trade-off. Apparently I got "tomatoes taste good" in return for my "cilantro tastes toxic."

Re: I’ve been reading a whole lot about tomatoes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I grew some tomatoes on my balcony this summer, and the way they taste compared to what I would buy at the store you would think they are completely different fruits. I would pay maybe 30% more for a sandwich with fresh tomatoes as opposed to the.... red slime that usually come on them.

Brown tomatoes are showing up in more grocery stores now, and have a much better tomato flavor than beefsteak tomatoes. They are often sold in a sleeve of six or so, or labeled as "kumatos". Really, give them a try - they are much better than regular store tomatoes.

I have seen brown ones packaged as you described but labeled as Capri. Maybe they aren't the same but they are a lot better than the average commercial tomato.

Re: I’ve been reading a whole lot about tomatoes

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We (Optimal Agriculture) have built an autonomous growing system for high-tech greenhouses and have achieved 'superhuman' performance in a recent tomato trial. We collect a bunch of sensory data about the crop and growing environment, run cloud-based optimisation, and then control the actuators of the greenhouse autonomously (lighting, screening, heating, cooling, irrigation, etc). We are turning $100M greenhouse fac…

What do you mean by "cloud-based optimization?" Are you running reinforcement learning algorithm(s) on these plants?

Re: I’ve been reading a whole lot about tomatoes

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Interesting, but not that dissimilar to the United States. I grow a couple thousand acres of tomatoes in California, all of which are for processing into juices and pastes. These tomatoes are all transported in open-topped trailers by semi, and the losses have always bothered me. There is a tight turn just after leaving our property and the pile of tomatoes there grows steadily with the season as they roll off the to…

If memory serves, that fungus family attacks all nightshades, not just tomatoes, right? So you can't rotate potatoes or eggplant or you get the same problems.

Re: I’ve been reading a whole lot about tomatoes

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We (Optimal Agriculture) have built an autonomous growing system for high-tech greenhouses and have achieved 'superhuman' performance in a recent tomato trial. We collect a bunch of sensory data about the crop and growing environment, run cloud-based optimisation, and then control the actuators of the greenhouse autonomously (lighting, screening, heating, cooling, irrigation, etc). We are turning $100M greenhouse fac…

Just for the density of jargon, this is quite an amusing post. I just hope your project is actually working out, though I can't tell from what you wrote.

Re: I’ve been reading a whole lot about tomatoes

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Kind of a tangent but this really makes me think about this problem I see with thinking in Silicon Valley. It seems to be a common belief that if someone is solving a problem they have with some product or service, they are helping everyone in the world. But the rest of the world is very unlike Silicon Valley. Someone making an app to help them book a masseuse is not going to be solving problems for people who cannot afford to transport their tomatoes in refrigerated trucks.

I strongly believe that the best way to help people in other places very different from our own is to open source the best of what we know. Everything we rely on. For example instead of buying refrigerated trucks from an expensive European suppler (let's suppose) they could clone the designs and manufacture refrigeration more cheaply. Such an effort would take time but if we shared the plans for everything we rely on, someone could make it cheaper and offer it to those with less income. A free market of manufacturers would compete based on who can manufacture goods the cheapest, rather than who can both design them and manufacture them.

Maybe refrigeration is already generic enough that this particular item would not get cheaper, but in general if everything was open source then people in places like this would be more able to manufacture what they really need even if they lack certain technical skills required to design the things. And with trade normalization required by the WTO, many of these companies cannot clone certain useful goods due to patent restrictions.

We are so wealthy in the USA and yet we do not often consider sharing our wealth in this way with every other person sharing this time with us.

Re: I’ve been reading a whole lot about tomatoes

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We (Optimal Agriculture) have built an autonomous growing system for high-tech greenhouses and have achieved 'superhuman' performance in a recent tomato trial. We collect a bunch of sensory data about the crop and growing environment, run cloud-based optimisation, and then control the actuators of the greenhouse autonomously (lighting, screening, heating, cooling, irrigation, etc). We are turning $100M greenhouse fac…

What do you mean by "cloud-based optimization?" Are you running reinforcement learning algorithm(s) on these plants?

Yes we use techniques from RL as one of our technologies - its my personal research background

Re: I’ve been reading a whole lot about tomatoes

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We (Optimal Agriculture) have built an autonomous growing system for high-tech greenhouses and have achieved 'superhuman' performance in a recent tomato trial. We collect a bunch of sensory data about the crop and growing environment, run cloud-based optimisation, and then control the actuators of the greenhouse autonomously (lighting, screening, heating, cooling, irrigation, etc). We are turning $100M greenhouse fac…

How many square meters will that facility be, and what is the cost to construct? At $100M I don’t see how it would be financially viable. 50k kg a day is approximately 600 acres of tomatoes with our yields. That much land in CA might sell for $6-30M depending on water rights and latitude.

We’ll be getting over 100kg/m2/year. Construction varies but typically $450/m2 for a lit greenhouse.
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