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Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by TomSwirly »

sergiomattei wrote: post #78
psychometry wrote: post #12

MacOS major version release are so underwhelming to me. They're not so much OS updates as they're updates to built-in apps I don't use or use at a very surface level: Safari, Facetime, Apple Maps, Messages, etc. I'm not really sure what I'd want out of a new MacOS, though. It's been stable and (for my purposes) feature-complete for many years now. I don't remember the last time a MacOS upgrade added a feature I wante…

I'm impressed. People really will never be satisfied. A relatively low-key, under-the-hood Mac release? "Man I miss when the Mac was innovative. These releases are a snooze fest." A big release, packed with features? "Man I miss when Apple cared about their OS stability. We need a new zero features snooze fest like 10.6. Take me back to Snow Leopard :(" Only HN can pull off such astounding mood swings. I know this si…

These releases offer me nothing, take a big chunk of time to operate, and break my old software and device.

And bugs linger for years and never get fixed.

I think it's very reasonable to complain.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by jcelerier »

xu_ituairo wrote: post #133
beders wrote: post #116

It is frustrating to see how stagnant desktop OS's have become. Both macOS and Windows 11 have added incremental features that are surely nice to have, but no one dares to improve on the human-computer-interaction which has remained the same for decades now. With the advances in AI and the ridiculous compute power of modern CPUs, we should be able to have OSs that are Digital Assistants. Just one example: - file mana…

As you say, we're getting exactly these advances with phone and tablet OSs. iPads are becoming a dream appliance in the ways you mention and capture 90% of the average person's computing needs. Regular computers have to maintain some backward compatibility and it's nice for power users to still be allowed to fiddle with file extensions and system internals.

But no one uses tablets in practices. Everyone I know who bought an iPad or iPad pro use it for a bit and then it just takes dust.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by concinds »

nawgz wrote: post #81
dkdk8283 wrote: post #66

Any of the awful UX functions been rolled back? Notifications and the bluetooth menus are an abomination.

Bluetooth menu structure is god-tier compared to how it used to be, what do you mean "abomination"?

Apple took away a key feature, where you pressed a key combo (shift+alt) and clicked on the Bluetooth menu bar item, and you'd get an option to reset Bluetooth; this helped for the inevitable case where people have bugs and devices won't connect, or Bluetooth just won't work.

https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/reset-mac-bluetooth-module/

That no longer exists on Monterey.

They might be referencing Control Center, though.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by jorl17 »

mrgalaxy wrote: post #4

How stable is Monterey for those that have been using it? Ironically I just upgraded to Big Sur yesterday from Catalina. I think I'll probably wait again to let 3rd-party apps catch up.

This extremely aggravating Bluetooth issue is driving me insane: https://reddit.com/r/MacOSBeta/comments/q1trtn/bluetooth_con...

I’m running out of ideas on how to fix this.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by tytho »

ushakov wrote: post #101
ksec wrote: post #75

Sort of a mini review. Using it at home on my MacBook Pro 2015 Intel Machine. Big Sur on M1 was fine ( if not great ), mostly because M1 is extremely fast. But Big Sir on x86 was slow, really slow. I am in the group that reported Big Sur was slower than Catalina, and Catalina was slower than Mojave. That is with both the OS itself and Safari. So Big Sur was not a smooth experience for me. Monterey so far brings back…

that's great to hear i have a MacBook Pro with Intel as well Big Sur feels sluggish, it's not that it's slow, but it feels slow. I don't remember what OS my MacBook came with, but every update made it slower, especially Mail.app, which takes good 10 seconds to launch. Downloading Monterey now, hopefully will see improvements! edit: but my biggest macOS complaint yet has to be the space used by "Other", which at the m…

I was just helping a family member with this same issue (large amount of “Other” space) and turns out it was some unmounted volumes that had somehow been created. We couldn’t track down what was on them in the time period I had to help, but doing a clean wipe cleared it all up. Not the best answer to the problem.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by amatecha »

concinds wrote: post #144
beders wrote: post #116

It is frustrating to see how stagnant desktop OS's have become. Both macOS and Windows 11 have added incremental features that are surely nice to have, but no one dares to improve on the human-computer-interaction which has remained the same for decades now. With the advances in AI and the ridiculous compute power of modern CPUs, we should be able to have OSs that are Digital Assistants. Just one example: - file mana…

I don't like hero worship, but I happened to hear a Steve Jobs clip the other day, where he said: a great idea is only 10% what you think it's worth; the 90% is the implementation details and craftsmanship that goes into it. I don't want an OS that "doesn't make me pick between iCloud or ~/Documents". That just means turning macOS into ChromeOS. An OS with just a search bar would break a ridiculous amount of uses, fr…

It's hilarious, so many people seem to want to get rid of files and folders, but every single development team I've ever been on has a ton of documentation, working documents, prototypes, etc. organized in... get this: a hierarchical structure. Files within folders within other folders, and so on. Whether literal filesystem or web-based interface or whatever. I've never once seen a project of any sort happen without some kind of structure and hierarchy in the data that everyone is working within. Even all the cloud stuff implements these paradigms (is there any that doesn't?)...

For working on computers, "getting rid of the concept of files" is just not a realistic idea whatsoever. It's no surprise the metaphor has worked for 50+ years.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

beders wrote: post #116

It is frustrating to see how stagnant desktop OS's have become. Both macOS and Windows 11 have added incremental features that are surely nice to have, but no one dares to improve on the human-computer-interaction which has remained the same for decades now. With the advances in AI and the ridiculous compute power of modern CPUs, we should be able to have OSs that are Digital Assistants. Just one example: - file mana…

> Regular users are consistently struggling with low-level concepts like 'files' and similar remnants of trying to emulate desktop metaphors from the workplaces of the 80ies.

This is revisionist computing history of a sort that is becoming more common these days as certain people retire.

The concept of files predates the concept of "a desktop" by decades. There is a much deeper metaphor to "files" than there is to "files on a desktop", and one that is hard to dispense with even if you have extraordinarily smart search available.

> Mobile OSs have been rather successful in getting rid of this implementation detail.

Almost entirely by shrinking the scope of what can be done to a point that would be useless for what is currently understod as a desktop computer. You want that model? Get a big, powerful tablet.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by root_axis »

beders wrote: post #116

It is frustrating to see how stagnant desktop OS's have become. Both macOS and Windows 11 have added incremental features that are surely nice to have, but no one dares to improve on the human-computer-interaction which has remained the same for decades now. With the advances in AI and the ridiculous compute power of modern CPUs, we should be able to have OSs that are Digital Assistants. Just one example: - file mana…

That might be true on iOS, but on android we actually have a file system and it's great, it's one of the primary reasons I have preferred android for years.

Re: macOS Monterey

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

jcelerier wrote: post #162
xu_ituairo wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As you say, we're getting exactly these advances with phone and tablet OSs. iPads are becoming a dream appliance in the ways you mention and capture 90% of the average person's computing needs. Regular computers have to maintain some backward compatibility and it's nice for power users to still be allowed to fiddle with file extensions and system internals.

But no one uses tablets in practices. Everyone I know who bought an iPad or iPad pro use it for a bit and then it just takes dust.

It would be good to have a really solid answer about why that happens.
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