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Re: macOS Monterey

#71

Any of the awful UX functions been rolled back? Notifications and the bluetooth menus are an abomination.

I was hoping someone would mention this.

Shoving everything into a sub-menu made device statuses invisible and involved extra clicks to interact with them. It's user-hostile design.

Re: macOS Monterey

#73
Are all features available on all recent Macs (Intel + M1)? iirc there were some features that there were some exclusive M1 features to come, but also overheard rumors that they'd still roll out on "old" Intel Macs.

Edit: Apparently some features are indeed M1 only. Those features are

- portrait mode in FaceTime

- apparently the new Apple Maps design

- the interactive globe

Seems like the most important features (for me it's livetext) are available on both architectures.

Re: macOS Monterey

#74

MacOS major version release are so underwhelming to me. They're not so much OS updates as they're updates to built-in apps I don't use or use at a very surface level: Safari, Facetime, Apple Maps, Messages, etc. I'm not really sure what I'd want out of a new MacOS, though. It's been stable and (for my purposes) feature-complete for many years now. I don't remember the last time a MacOS upgrade added a feature I wante…

I have my pet peeves I would love to change. But they are mostly not close to kernel or "OS" level; rather they are UI quirks.

Re: macOS Monterey

#75
Sort of a mini review. Using it at home on my MacBook Pro 2015 Intel Machine.

Big Sur on M1 was fine ( if not great ), mostly because M1 is extremely fast. But Big Sir on x86 was slow, really slow. I am in the group that reported Big Sur was slower than Catalina, and Catalina was slower than Mojave. That is with both the OS itself and Safari. So Big Sur was not a smooth experience for me.

Monterey so far brings back the speed / snappiness of Mojave. Safari feels so much more responsive under normal use and under heavy tab usage. Lots micro-pause ( Jank ) and lag are gone. As if they put back all the optimisation for x86 previously left out.

Far less Kernel_Task CPU usage and stupid disk write for whatever reason. My guess this is mostly a Safari problem given they have implemented Tab Groups they have at least taken into account of heavy tab usage in mind. This is also apparent when they fix the long standing Tab Overview bug, where it will load ( and reload ) every single Tabs you have trying to generate thumbnail. Imagine you accidentally press the Tab Overview button in the tool bar, or three finger swap in Safari when you have hundreds of tabs. You will instantly get a few hundreds GB of Disk Write paging trying load everything. It is literally a feature that kills your SSD. I have reported this bug for over three years, it is finally fixed. Cloudd and Bookmark / History / Tab Sync pause / Jank is still not fix though. That is 3 years+ and counting.

Still wish they do a list of tabs like Chrome instead of Thumbnails when it is over certain Tabs Number. It is easier to track when you have lots of Tabs. Easier to do Manual Garbage Collection of Tabs.

Bug that causes IINA to crash when viewing video in portrait mode is gone. One of the biggest complain when updating to Big Sur.

WindowsServer also uses far less CPU. It used to hover over 30% for no apparent reason. Now it is back to a normal 5-15% in most cases.

Safari "classic" tabs are back. Along with a very long list of webkit improvement. Far from perfect but at least things are moving.

I am also feeling Apps that are using Swift and SwiftUI are snappier than before and uses less memory. An observation mostly from using Stocks App.

Many other minor details, may be worth reading Ars' review [1]. It is solid release, which along with M1 MacBook Pro sadly dampens my motivation to move away from Apple.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/macos-12-monterey-th...

Re: macOS Monterey

#76

MacOS major version release are so underwhelming to me. They're not so much OS updates as they're updates to built-in apps I don't use or use at a very surface level: Safari, Facetime, Apple Maps, Messages, etc. I'm not really sure what I'd want out of a new MacOS, though. It's been stable and (for my purposes) feature-complete for many years now. I don't remember the last time a MacOS upgrade added a feature I wante…

Underwhelming updates are good, that way corporate IT doesn't take 3 years to approve updating company computers.

Re: macOS Monterey

#77
post #8

Funny that they used a very clunky looking Windows laptop and a pretty dated looking Android phone to show off Facetime.

Many popular Windows laptops e.g. Thinkpad look like that. And since they are targeting younger people for Facetime maybe not surprising they didn't choose the most expensive, flagship phone.

And yet iPhones are flagship phones...

Taste is subjective. Anyone arguing that the MBP is objectively better than, say, https://icdn.digitaltrends.com/image/digitaltrends/dell-xps-...

is just expressing their preferences. And I say that as someone who is waiting on delivery of the 14" MBP.

Re: macOS Monterey

#78

MacOS major version release are so underwhelming to me. They're not so much OS updates as they're updates to built-in apps I don't use or use at a very surface level: Safari, Facetime, Apple Maps, Messages, etc. I'm not really sure what I'd want out of a new MacOS, though. It's been stable and (for my purposes) feature-complete for many years now. I don't remember the last time a MacOS upgrade added a feature I wante…

I'm impressed. People really will never be satisfied.

A relatively low-key, under-the-hood Mac release? "Man I miss when the Mac was innovative. These releases are a snooze fest."

A big release, packed with features? "Man I miss when Apple cared about their OS stability. We need a new zero features snooze fest like 10.6. Take me back to Snow Leopard :("

Only HN can pull off such astounding mood swings. I know this site isn't a monolith of opinions, but come on.

Re: macOS Monterey

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they used an XPS people might accidentally realize that you don't need a notch to put a camera at the top of your screen.

Dell uses a low quality 720p camera on their XPS line. And the notch gives them room for a future FaceID sensor stack.

And Apple only just with the new MBPs upgraded to 1080p.

And Dell supports Windows Hello 3D face recognition without a notch.

It's not quite as unbalanced as you imply.

Re: macOS Monterey

#80
post #71

Any of the awful UX functions been rolled back? Notifications and the bluetooth menus are an abomination.

I was hoping someone would mention this. Shoving everything into a sub-menu made device statuses invisible and involved extra clicks to interact with them. It's user-hostile design.

Did you know you can drag the controls out onto the menu bar?
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