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Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by S04dKHzrKT »

beambot wrote: post #198
jqpabc123 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. The alternative business model is so simple and is already in place --- simply advertise based on expressed interest. This is what DuckDuckGo is doing very effectively. Show ads based on search words. No global, privacy invading network required. Amazon is doing the same quite effectively. Their ad business is growing by leaps…

I'm not sure if include Amazon in the list of privacy conscious providers: https://nypost.com/2021/10/19/i-found-an-amazon-folder-with-...

Agreed. I have recruiters reaching out to me on one of my older spam email addresses (in addition to my personal address). They are clearly doing some sort tracking/correlation.

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Post by drunkpotato »

corobo wrote: post #119
drunkpotato wrote: post #13

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What we found at a previous employer through extensive testing: advertising on Facebook works pretty well, but the highest return on ad spend was to not use any of the demographic tools at all. Also, weirdly, having an attractive product and displaying it well in photo and video ads did very well. Almost as if there is no real magic trick of effectiveness at all.

Not even country based? When I tried without targeting I got a load of bots that tanked my page reach I paid to destroy my page haha. Fuckin Facebook

Hmm, it may be that shopify blocked some bot traffic automatically.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by MomoXenosaga »

qnsi wrote: post #8

What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

Don't vote Republican.

But they decrease my taxes! Too bad pay up.

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Post by pixl97 »

jareklupinski wrote: post #296
qnsi wrote: post #8

What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

individually we need to stop working for unethical companies we are the ones building these tools, reading these articles / comments sections, and talking with our colleagues and friends working on developing these products we just have to accept that our takehome might not be as large at the end of the pay-cycle. feels better spending it tho :)

Individually it doesn't work. Unethical behavior is generally profitable, more so then the ethical behavior it is 'out competing'. The Unethical groups then use this profit to buy out and corner the market.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by m0zg »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #236
moffkalast wrote: post #224

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I'm sure a global effort will increase the offensively small fine to a medium sized fine. Google: "This is fine." They print money at an astonishing rate with AdSense.

I think the goal of this lawsuit is probably more than just a fine. There will be a push to break up the companies into independent silos so google can’t frontrun its own ad exchange.

Man, as much as I'd like to see it, it really cracks me up when people think this has a snowball's chance in hell of happening. Google and FB are _required_ to win elections now, have been since 2012. This golden population control goose will not be killed. Instead it'll be taken care of and fattened up.

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Post by smegger001 »

I don't think i understand how this was supposed to benefit Google? just making facebook bid like everyone else would surely have just raised the floor as everyone had to compete with them, where this way google makes less on the ads sold to facebook.

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Post by nobody9999 »

pier25 wrote: post #306
lamontcg wrote: post #230

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Everyone reading this on Chrome should switch their browser today. Get off of Gmail while you're at it. There is no perfect alternative, but all those reasons why you think you can't switch don't add up to anything a fraction as bad as what Google is doing.

I have close to 15 years of emails stored in Gmail. Is there an easy way to download that or move it to another provider?

>I have close to 15 years of emails stored in Gmail.

>Is there an easy way to download that or move it to another provider?

You can set up pop3 access[0] to your gmail account, download your emails (with any of a variety of clients[1]) and have the client delete them from your google account.

I'm sure there are other ways to do so as well.

[0] https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7104828?hl=en

[1] https://www.getmailbird.com/pop3-email-account/#Top_Mail_Cli...

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by jl6 »

qnsi wrote: post #8

What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

You could refuse to hire anyone who has worked for ad-tech in recent history.

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Post by singron »

jl6 wrote: post #338
qnsi wrote: post #8

What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

You could refuse to hire anyone who has worked for ad-tech in recent history.

Maybe the people leaving ad-tech are the people you should hire? FB and Google pay top compensation, so anyone who doesn't work there anymore probably decided to eschew money for some other purpose.

E.g. I didn't know how gross ad-tech was until I saw how the sausage was made.

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Post by kevinthew »

Havoc wrote: post #196

>The parties agreed up front on when and how often Facebook would bid in auctions, and when and how often Facebook would ultimately win. That sounds rather cartel-like

This sounds exactly like the LIBOR rigging scam, various commodity market scandals. People rightfully go to jail for this stuff -- meanwhile we see the big tech companies bid rig
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