NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts
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Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts
#2Good. The New York Times lies. They reviewed the model s in 2013, drove it in circles before the review and then said the battery died. Flat out lies. They ought to have a taste of their own toxic medicine.
Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts
#3So, what is the legality of this? I've not followed much about this at all, but NSO group appears to be an Israeli company.
Do they just sell, or operate the hacking software for their clients? If they operate it, is it illegal for an Israeli company to hack an American citizen (I assume it is illegal in America, but how about Israel?)
Is the sale of hacking software regulated in any way?
Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts
#4This feels like a much, much better analysis/exposition than Jeff Bezo's report via Gavin de Becker.
Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts
#5So, what is the legality of this? I've not followed much about this at all, but NSO group appears to be an Israeli company. Do they just sell, or operate the hacking software for their clients? If they operate it, is it illegal for an Israeli company to hack an American citizen (I assume it is illegal in America, but how about Israel?) Is the sale of hacking software regulated in any way?
Since the US government has historically been one of the largest customers in the zero-day market, my guess would be no.
Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts
#6So, what is the legality of this? I've not followed much about this at all, but NSO group appears to be an Israeli company. Do they just sell, or operate the hacking software for their clients? If they operate it, is it illegal for an Israeli company to hack an American citizen (I assume it is illegal in America, but how about Israel?) Is the sale of hacking software regulated in any way?
yes. mostly just ITAR as far as I know back in 2016.
Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts
#7So, what is the legality of this? I've not followed much about this at all, but NSO group appears to be an Israeli company. Do they just sell, or operate the hacking software for their clients? If they operate it, is it illegal for an Israeli company to hack an American citizen (I assume it is illegal in America, but how about Israel?) Is the sale of hacking software regulated in any way?
Since the US government has historically been one of the largest customers in the zero-day market, my guess would be no.
The US government is also one of the largest customers of ICBM rockets too. And you would find that it is not an unregulated field at all.
I don’t know about regulations in the field. All I know is that “US gov buys a lot of X, therefore it X is not regulated” is not a convincing argument.
Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts
#8So, what is the legality of this? I've not followed much about this at all, but NSO group appears to be an Israeli company. Do they just sell, or operate the hacking software for their clients? If they operate it, is it illegal for an Israeli company to hack an American citizen (I assume it is illegal in America, but how about Israel?) Is the sale of hacking software regulated in any way?
My understanding is they sell it, after the Israeli gov't (Israeli Defense Ministry) vets the sale. It is operated by the client. NSO has claimed they do not have any info on targets by the purchaser, and has no way to find out post-sale.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/interview-with-ceo-of-nso-group...
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#9So how do we protect our privacy from the advance of technology? It doesn't seem possible. Just going after NSO is useless.
Re: NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on previous hacking attempts
#10So, what is the legality of this? I've not followed much about this at all, but NSO group appears to be an Israeli company. Do they just sell, or operate the hacking software for their clients? If they operate it, is it illegal for an Israeli company to hack an American citizen (I assume it is illegal in America, but how about Israel?) Is the sale of hacking software regulated in any way?
I read that it's export-controlled now in the US,
https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/22/22740155/commerce-depart... ("New US rules on spyware exports try to limit surveillance tech like Pegasus")
edit: and HN thread
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28933981 ("U.S. tightens export controls on items used in surveillance of private citizens")