Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

CNN goes first two weeks of October without any program reaching 1M viewers

londondaily.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

81–90 of 115 posts

Re: CNN goes first two weeks of October without any program reaching 1M viewers

#81

Post by fishtacos »

miked85 wrote: post #78
fishtacos wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't make him out to be a "crazy lunatic", merely dangerous in his backing of unapproved treatments. Again, the FDA itself recommends against usage of Ivermectin: https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-shoul... : "Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19" You and Mr. Rogan (and ilk) seem to be confounding the usage of Ivermectin in researched and approved treatment regimen…

> They didn't make him out to be a "crazy lunatic" That is exactly what they did by saying he was taking "horse dewormer" > Self-treatment carries unforeseen dangers He was prescribed this off-label by a doctor. I have not been able to understand the hostility towards this treatment or unwillingness to even consider that it might help.

"That is exactly what they did by saying he was taking "horse dewormer""

He did.

"He was prescribed this off-label by a doctor."

For a treatment regimen that's not recommended by the AMA nor approved by the FDA for this type of disease.

Which is why it's risky to apply one potential quack doctor prescribing a one-off vs. a rigorously studied treatment regimen.

"I have not been able to understand the hostility towards this treatment or unwillingness to even consider that it might help."

Absolutely no hostility here, at least. However, unproven and unapproved treatments are dangerous, especially when they're always anecdotal.

Re: CNN goes first two weeks of October without any program reaching 1M viewers

#82

Post by fishtacos »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #77
fishtacos wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't make him out to be a "crazy lunatic", merely dangerous in his backing of unapproved treatments. Again, the FDA itself recommends against usage of Ivermectin: https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-shoul... : "Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19" You and Mr. Rogan (and ilk) seem to be confounding the usage of Ivermectin in researched and approved treatment regimen…

If I hear someone taking horse dewormer, my first impression is that they are crazy lunatics, but it could be just me. Just because the FDA doesn't recommend it, it doesn't mean it's not beneficial, it merely means they don't know yet, given clinical trials are still ongoing. It's interesting how they didn't mention the antiviral effects. Study here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7539925/ I understand…

"AstraZeneca is now the largest company in the UK."

Unfortunately the rest of what you wrote is not worth replying to, nor discussing, until you can clarify this conspiratorial-sounding statement.

Re: CNN goes first two weeks of October without any program reaching 1M viewers

#83

Post by da_big_ghey »

fishtacos wrote: post #81
miked85 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They didn't make him out to be a "crazy lunatic" That is exactly what they did by saying he was taking "horse dewormer" > Self-treatment carries unforeseen dangers He was prescribed this off-label by a doctor. I have not been able to understand the hostility towards this treatment or unwillingness to even consider that it might help.

"That is exactly what they did by saying he was taking "horse dewormer"" He did. "He was prescribed this off-label by a doctor." For a treatment regimen that's not recommended by the AMA nor approved by the FDA for this type of disease. Which is why it's risky to apply one potential quack doctor prescribing a one-off vs. a rigorously studied treatment regimen. "I have not been able to understand the hostility towards…

No, he did not take horse dewormer paste like some person have when they had no prescription. He received prescription and took human formulation. This "horse dewormer" description is only some effort at a smear campaign.

Re: CNN goes first two weeks of October without any program reaching 1M viewers

#84

Post by miked85 »

fishtacos wrote: post #81
miked85 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They didn't make him out to be a "crazy lunatic" That is exactly what they did by saying he was taking "horse dewormer" > Self-treatment carries unforeseen dangers He was prescribed this off-label by a doctor. I have not been able to understand the hostility towards this treatment or unwillingness to even consider that it might help.

"That is exactly what they did by saying he was taking "horse dewormer"" He did. "He was prescribed this off-label by a doctor." For a treatment regimen that's not recommended by the AMA nor approved by the FDA for this type of disease. Which is why it's risky to apply one potential quack doctor prescribing a one-off vs. a rigorously studied treatment regimen. "I have not been able to understand the hostility towards…

He took a medication that has been given safely to humans for decades. The fact it is also useful for animals is meaningless. You literally described what off-label means, so it sounds like we agree on that part.

Re: CNN goes first two weeks of October without any program reaching 1M viewers

#85

Post by hervature »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #56
hervature wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's the worst part of air travel for you, you should count your blessings.

Inconvenience is temporary, fear is lasting.

Not only is fearing and avoiding places with natural disasters rational (people avoid traveling to the Caribbean during hurricane season) but they are children. Given that I don't know a single adult who has a phobia of remote disasters, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that your kids forgot about it the next time they played Roblox.

Re: CNN goes first two weeks of October without any program reaching 1M viewers

#86

Post by iopq »

hirundo wrote: post #73
iopq wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about no bias towards any side? I know, it's never happened, but what if?

You can't interpret any fact without an internal model of how the universe works. That model is a "side" and compared to any other model, has a difference called "bias". There is presumably one true model that matches reality best. You could call that "unbiased", but since nobody can reliably identify it, we're stuck with bias.

That's all very nice and all, but there's "bias from worldview" and then there's CNN

Re: CNN goes first two weeks of October without any program reaching 1M viewers

#87

Post by varelse »

dang wrote: post #68
varelse wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you need to put a whole lot of thought into why this article was posted. I think you already know the answer in fact. It's a terrible article and it's written in a terrible way. Who might want to post that here?

You've broken the site guidelines with this comment, assuming I'm reading your insinuation correctly. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Users are asked not to post such insinuations unless there is evidence. "Evidence" means something specific and concrete and objective. Someone else liking an article you dislike on some widely divisive topic is not evidence, it's just normal. (How bad the article may…

The evidence would be the obvious blatant disinfo clickbait and political slant nature of the article and its source itself as opposed to any sort of subjective but at least moderatively informative news about technology or the social impact of technology but of course that's an insinuation too, I get it. But why would a typical "hacker" want "news" about CNN ratings? Maybe the raw numbers as a source of data (not that this article supplies them of course), but a mostly evidence free conjectural rant about its imminent demise? I'll wait.

But while I'm waiting, can I get you to delete my account and my entire history here? 5 enthusiastic stars if you'll do that for me. An obvious rulebreaker like myself has never made a useful contribution here ever and everyone will be better off with my entire comment history safely deleted. Or is it something something hypothetical imaginary ycombinator possible future liability something something else so that would be a no? Or TLDR: Hacker News actually does aspire to become the new Reddit?

This is a sincere request. I really want to disconnect entirely from most of the internet. And this would be a great place to disconnect from as well. I await your potential response or the demise of this account with enthusiastic ennui.

Re: CNN goes first two weeks of October without any program reaching 1M viewers

#88

Post by fishtacos »

miked85 wrote: post #84
fishtacos wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"That is exactly what they did by saying he was taking "horse dewormer"" He did. "He was prescribed this off-label by a doctor." For a treatment regimen that's not recommended by the AMA nor approved by the FDA for this type of disease. Which is why it's risky to apply one potential quack doctor prescribing a one-off vs. a rigorously studied treatment regimen. "I have not been able to understand the hostility towards…

He took a medication that has been given safely to humans for decades. The fact it is also useful for animals is meaningless. You literally described what off-label means, so it sounds like we agree on that part.

He can take whatever medication he wants. His position as a mainstream celebrity spouting these dangerous anecdotal stories as if they are canon without any medical recommendation or FDA oversight besides random individuals he chooses as a doctor (read: he pays them to give them what he wants) is what puts CNN and any other news organization in the right contextually.

Ivermectin might be the miracle drug - no one knows, and that's the point. Without due diligence, Rogen and his supporters are spreading FUD.

Re: CNN goes first two weeks of October without any program reaching 1M viewers

#89

Post by mensetmanusman »

hervature wrote: post #85
mensetmanusman wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Inconvenience is temporary, fear is lasting.

Not only is fearing and avoiding places with natural disasters rational (people avoid traveling to the Caribbean during hurricane season) but they are children. Given that I don't know a single adult who has a phobia of remote disasters, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that your kids forgot about it the next time they played Roblox.

This is true, fear has evolutionary advantages. However it is also blinding, so, like fire, it has a place. Spreading fear in an airport is odd, and it would be better dealt with in other contexts.

Re: CNN goes first two weeks of October without any program reaching 1M viewers

#90

Post by yeahforsureman »

sydthrowaway wrote: post #27

CNN is no good. Journalists describing Joe Rogan taking horse dewormer when he had a prescription for Ivermectin is indefensible.

What's this obsession with ivermectin? I'm not American, so sincerely wondering.
Post reply on HN