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Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Krasnol wrote: post #103
peteri wrote: post #95

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There are several reasons for Windows popularity today: Active Directory - The centralised control it gives corporates. Games and DirectX - Although this seems to be getting to be less of a reason. Backwards compatibility - Windows 16 bit apps are now dead, but you can take the VB6 code I wrote pre-Y2K and run it today. Linux fragmentation - It's difficult to support all the Linux variations with a single binary (or…

There is also one reason many here don't see: you don't have to bother with the console. Everything can be installed and run with a mouse. Don't take me wrong. I understand the good sides of console programs. You can do a lot there but your average user doesn't care.

I've definitely had to use a windows console on occasion, and regedit which is at a similar level or worse.

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Post by yarosv »

Silhouette wrote: post #219
dotancohen wrote: post #149

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What popular end-user software cannot be installed and run with a mouse in e.g. Ubuntu?

Not long ago I upgraded an Ubuntu system to 21.04. It took me more than half an hour of looking around to realise that the "Ubuntu Software" screen everyone was referring to was a separate application that wasn't installed by default . Then I could look up the CLI command to install it via apt. That sort of thing would be a small (though very irritating) waste of time for many of us on HN but it could have been a sho…

Is synaptic not a thing anymore? I haven't used linux in a number of years.

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Post by 29athrowaway »

eps wrote: post #25

In related news - ever wondered why Windows 11 can't be installed on "older computers"? You know, the ones that don't have a TPM chip? Now you know. Windows 11 completes the lock-up of the OS. That's why Windows 11 exists in the first place. All other changes are secondary. Microsoft knows they would've not been able to pull shit like this as a Windows 10 update, so they were effectively forced to do a version increa…

Microsoft fanboys will finally get the maximum security digital prison they asked for, built with their own money.

We tried to tell you, but you were too busy playing your dumb DirectX games. It's not that those same games could not have developed for Linux, though.

Let's see how long you tolerate having to kiss Satya Nadella's ring every day now that you have forced choices.

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Post by ryanlol »

IvanAchlaqullah wrote: post #319
zbrozek wrote: post #296

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Google provides attestation and it's a constant cat-and-mouse game that the rooters are usually losing. Websites can't tell, but lots of companies don't provide equivalent functionality via website. I know I can't upload check images for remote deposit unless I use the native banking app.

It's called SafetyNet [1] What irked me is sometime app developers are abusing it without asking themself "Does this app really need to check for rooted phones at all?" I'm okay if banks apps are using that. But why does fast foods apps need to use that? Most people that I know are paying with cash when they order foods online (and you can't hack paper money with rooted android phones). [1] https://developer.android.…

Platforms like deliveroo have lost tens of millions to fraud, I don’t blame them for enforcing safetynet.

Perhaps “food delivery” means pizza to you, but there are many places where it also includes thousand dollar bottles of wine.

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Post by 29athrowaway »

ogurechny wrote: post #82

Keep in mind this has happened because people agreed that they can't (normally) run code not singed by someone else (Microsoft) on their own system for “security” reasons. Well, it was not security, it actually was a way to keep keys to themselves, and hold the user system as a hostage. And it has been explained many times by many people. If you care about software freedoms, even just a tiny bit, you wouldn't touch “…

The user wants convenience, and then, under the premise of convenience, corporations create systems that give them the convenience they want in exchange for their privacy and freedom.

Being spied on, having forced updates, a remote kill switch on your computer, "telemetry", advertisement, and the best of all: your government being bullied and lobbied on with the money you paid... it is all worth it because you can run a stupid DirectX game at 60 fps instead of 58 fps. Until the forced update interrupts your game, that is.

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Post by Shorel »

pjmlp wrote: post #54
intricatedetail wrote: post #35

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Many people only use Windows because the software they have don't have a Linux build. Maybe people should start pressuring vendors to make Linux builds and that could end Windows.

Ironically I have been using Linux via VMWare for about 10 years now, because I got fed up with Year of Linux Desktop, which to this day still doesn't provide a proper experience to anyone that cares about graphics programming and usable UI/UX tooling. When my Asus Netbook dies (1215B with XUbuntu), the next UNIX travel laptop will be an Air. So you can spare the talk about how much GNU/Linux has progressed, since I…

VMWare vs Native Linux running last Gnome is a very, very different experience in my laptop.

VMWare is crippled performance wise, doesn't detect autorotate, and using it in full-screen requires me to resize the VMWare window every time I reboot the VM.

VMWare also doesn't detect all the buttons in my mouse.

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Post by voldacar »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #240
dTal wrote: post #53

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"Dan would eventually find out about the free kernels, even entire free operating systems, that had existed around the turn of the century. But not only were they illegal, like debuggers—you could not install one if you had one, without knowing your computer's root password. And neither the FBI nor Microsoft Support would tell you that." --Richard Stallman, "The Right To Read"

In a future where laws mandate signed software, the only way out is to somehow make our own hardware. We'll never be truly free unless we can manufacture free computers at home just like we can write free software at home. There is no software freedom if the processor refuses to run our code. Right now the chip fabs require billions of dollars in investments in order to make our processors. They are single points of…

Well people have already made decently fast homebrew computers with FPGAs. The problems are threefold:

- To what extent do you interop with existing (closed?) hardware, vs trying to recreate the world from scratch. Do you implement usb, pcie, etc, or do you make your own philosophically free equivalent that isn't compatible with existing devices?

- In any case you will have to cope with the fact that homebrew CPUs will always be a decade or two behind the cutting edge intel/amd cpus in terms of performance

- Your system has to be useful in order to get people to use it, but it has to have people working on it consistently in order for it to get to a state where it's useful. A chicken and egg problem.

There is, however, at least one off-the-shelf free computer system - I'm thinking of the Raptor Talos platform. But even then, you're paying significantly more for a computer that performs worse, unless you're running supercomputer-esque workloads on your desktop PC

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Post by hutzlibu »

jynelson wrote: post #291
hutzlibu wrote: post #242

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"In the future we will be lucky to have apps that work offline with local data. " Are you from the past? This here is 2021. And right here, the expensive, professional apps still lets you grudgingly do it, but small/casual apps that work really offline? That became rare. Usually it is mainly server and some local cache, you better take care of, if you are in an area with bad connection. But more and more of my peers…

Spotify works fine offline, you just have to download the tracks ahead of time.

Yeah, but there is a tight limit.

And they get removed after some time.

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Post by vetinari »

ziml77 wrote: post #303
vetinari wrote: post #244

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You can also enroll your MOK (Machine-Owner-Key) to UEFI and then sign the nvidia driver with it. That way, you can leave Secure Boot enabled. However, leaving the secret part of MOK on the machine and let the dkms or whatever updater of kernel modules to use it unattended kind of defeats the purpose.

Is the NVIDIA driver already signed? If it is, couldn't you create a certificate signed with the root key that says that the NVIDIA key is trusted?

No, last time I used it, it was object file and source for a shim. You had to build the shim for your specific kernel and link together with the supplied object file. The result is kernel module, that is unsigned because it is you who built it.

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Post by pxeboot »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #281
IvanAchlaqullah wrote: post #280

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> Imagine tax software (comercial or gov provided) refusing to work unless you use an OS with TPM support for "security reasons". > I don't think this will happen any time soon (hopefully) but I can see how even making your own hardware might no be enough. This already happened in Android, at least where I lives (Indonesia). Most of Banks, Government Services, and freaking McDonald's apps will refuse to run if your p…

Honest question: how do those apps know your phone is rooted, and can you still use their websites for equivalent functionality?

The most popular root solutions have a "hide" feature so apps you specify can't tell you are rooted. It is slightly more complicated with custom roms.

I have Google Pay and several banking apps on my rooted phone without issue.

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