New language features since Java 8 to 17
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New language features since Java 8 to 17
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Re: New language features since Java 8 to 17
#2Unfortunately it looks like Java is going to evolve enough to take the wind out of the sails of Kotlin and Scala for most dev shops. I guess the positive take is that those improvements might not have happened without the efforts to develop better JVM languages.
Re: New language features since Java 8 to 17
#3I just want to add that while this is a really nice post in its own right, I found this blog because its author created this: https://github.com/dodie/vim-fibo-indent
Re: New language features since Java 8 to 17
#4Unfortunately it looks like Java is going to evolve enough to take the wind out of the sails of Kotlin and Scala for most dev shops. I guess the positive take is that those improvements might not have happened without the efforts to develop better JVM languages.
I don’t follow why this is unfortunate?
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#5Still no property literals
Re: New language features since Java 8 to 17
#6We must have a “new features since Java 8” post every other day.
Re: New language features since Java 8 to 17
#7Unfortunately it looks like Java is going to evolve enough to take the wind out of the sails of Kotlin and Scala for most dev shops. I guess the positive take is that those improvements might not have happened without the efforts to develop better JVM languages.
I don’t follow why this is unfortunate?
A lot of people have migrated away from Java to better JVM languages. If Java actually keeps improving, there's a reasonable likelihood that people will stop migrating and those that have may come back to Java from these other langs.
Long term this could lead to a loss of maintenance for tools and libraries for these languages which could kill them and leave those that migrated with a dead & decaying ecosystem.
Of course this is a bit of a stretch but it's not unheard of.
Re: New language features since Java 8 to 17
#8Unfortunately it looks like Java is going to evolve enough to take the wind out of the sails of Kotlin and Scala for most dev shops. I guess the positive take is that those improvements might not have happened without the efforts to develop better JVM languages.
I don’t follow why this is unfortunate?
> I don’t follow why this is unfortunate?
I'm guessing Java hate, which is kind of fashionable. If Java evolves to stay relevant, it won't be usurped and fade away.
Re: New language features since Java 8 to 17
#9Unfortunately it looks like Java is going to evolve enough to take the wind out of the sails of Kotlin and Scala for most dev shops. I guess the positive take is that those improvements might not have happened without the efforts to develop better JVM languages.
This is great not unfortunate. If Java improves because of Scala and Kotlin then so much the better, this is how languages evolve. If it really does evolve to remove the need for a better Java then it would be nice if people switched away from Kotlin and back to it. Scala can then carry on cementing its niche as a powerful commercial FP language. No hate for Kotlin at all but it seems like in that world, there might be no need for it. Scala is better for FP and if Java 17 is the better Java then great.
Re: New language features since Java 8 to 17
#10Unfortunately it looks like Java is going to evolve enough to take the wind out of the sails of Kotlin and Scala for most dev shops. I guess the positive take is that those improvements might not have happened without the efforts to develop better JVM languages.
I don’t follow why this is unfortunate?
I assume OP prefers Kotlin or Scala.
Personally, I think one of my favorite things about Java is that, all things considered, it's a small-ish language. So I'm glad that Java is both willing to evolve (slowly, letting other people try stuff out first) but also clearly focused on a curated feature set and resistant to letting new stuff in to bloat it. I am very happy to deal with minor things like no multiline string support if it means we get to avoid being a terrible mess of language features that ruby, scala, python, etc have accrued in a relatively quicker timescale.
I was fairly sad around the java 6-7 days where we went quite a long time with no visibly major new language features (diamond inference was 7's big thing, lol). So it is nice that we're moving a bit faster than that, now.