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Is the market hot or do people with 20 years of experience have to still work on additional signals like a portfolio / github profile / side projects? Those things seem necessary as a way to signal competence when you're lacking other signals like experience or education.
20 yrs experience? Nobody cares. That not a benefit. It's a feature. No one cares about features. Skills X, Y and/or Z? Ability to A, B and/or C? These are more important. Whether it 20 yrs, or more, or less. No one cares.
Ask HN: Experienced devs (20+ yrs exp), are you getting interview calls?
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Re: Ask HN: Experienced devs (20+ yrs exp), are you getting interview calls?
#12So it all depends on what you want - if you want a coding job, fill out profiles on various sites and you'll get emails. If you want something else, you'll need to be more creative.
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#13It's not how many years, it a matter of how marketable the skills and experiences are. That said, it's also a matter of marketing (read presentation of you). Imagine someone else - all things being relatively - equal to you. But they are better presented. Who gets the call? Like it or not. For better or worse. Recruiters aren't going to buy something they can't sell. More random-y thoughts: - Two weeks isn't that lon…
Unfortunately most recruiters don’t have the faintest idea of what they’re trying to sell, let alone what they need to buy.
Re: Ask HN: Experienced devs (20+ yrs exp), are you getting interview calls?
#14I think it helps to specialize more as your career progresses FWIW. I specialize in search, etc, so constantly get emails about new positions to do some smart thing with Elasticsearch or some such.
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#15I applied for only one job at the insistence of my wife because it was with a renowned company. I had to actually write out a C.V. to apply, and as of today, nine weeks into my new job, 13+ weeks later, my application is "still under review" according to the internal recruiter/manager. All other companies I spoke with were inbound leads.
I had, and still have, a lot of technical recruiters reaching out to me. Almost all of them failed to garner my interest based on a few simple questions I asked right up front. Before agreeing to interview, or even "sending over a resume" I prequalified all of the positions to ensure that it involved remote work and that the pay was within a range I was willing to accept. "Is this position remote? Or on-site? What is the pay range for this position?" A large proportion of the people who reached out did not respond to the questions, and of those that did, several gave responses that were immediate red flags or immediate rejections from me.
I interviewed with a FANGMAN company, on the recommendation of a friend, and I ultimately turned down the offer, but had it not been for my friend's insistence who works at the FANG, to "keep going" through the interview, I would have simply stopped the interview, and in fact thought about doing so several times. Whiteboarding and take-homes for people with decades of proven and verifiable experience and a couple of master's in computer subjects is still apparently a thing "to verify you know how to write code."
I had an interview lined up with another FANGMAN, which was to be a full day of "first round interviews" and then two full days with different teams to figure out where I would go. I withdrew my application once I accepted the offer for my current (new) position. The second was not a company I was interestd in, but they were doing interesting things in augmented reality.
I put in my two weeks notice, and the company I was working for made a counter-offer. Absurdly almost two hours after my last day on the job.
In all I had five offers on the table, at base compensation of $100K (absolutely absurd interview with a low-ball offer even after pre-qualifying the company to make sure the compensation was in the ballpark), $120K (reasonable interview, low-ball offer even after pre-qualifying), $150K (45 minute interview, knew the size of the offer going in, interesting work), $230K (a quick chat, then four hours of shooting the shit, exceptionally interesting work) and $260K (two full days, whiteboarding and take home (which I refused to do), career advancement).
My current position I didn't even apply for, and I don't think anyone even looked at the C.V. I got the job because of an old colleague who said "are you looking?" Having a strong network is important. My last two jobs, not including this one, both came the same way.
Total search time was from late June to mid-August. Maybe eight weeks total. I was being extremely picky with regard which companies I talked too.
Re: Ask HN: Experienced devs (20+ yrs exp), are you getting interview calls?
#16I have 25 years as a professional developer, but I’ve been writing code in some form or another for almost 40 years. I’ve been getting multiple emails from recruiters for MONTHS. I absolutely love my current role, and have no intention of leaving, but I’m betting I could make at least $130 an hour in the current market, which would be more than twice what I make salary-wise. It’s certainly tempting, but contracting h…
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#18"Can we say the job market is only good for junior developers?" No, not at all. It's hardest on them.
Re: Ask HN: Experienced devs (20+ yrs exp), are you getting interview calls?
#19It's not how many years, it a matter of how marketable the skills and experiences are. That said, it's also a matter of marketing (read presentation of you). Imagine someone else - all things being relatively - equal to you. But they are better presented. Who gets the call? Like it or not. For better or worse. Recruiters aren't going to buy something they can't sell. More random-y thoughts: - Two weeks isn't that lon…
> Recruiters aren’t going to buy something they can’t sell. Unfortunately most recruiters don’t have the faintest idea of what they’re trying to sell, let alone what they need to buy.
Re: Ask HN: Experienced devs (20+ yrs exp), are you getting interview calls?
#20I had a significant change in response (positively) when I started crafting my resume for roles I wanted. Between the recruiters and the candidate matching systems, a non-response seems more to be a we-never-saw-your-resume than intentional weed out.
To answer your first question though, I’d say the market is unequivocally better for Senior developers than for Junior devs.