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Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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I remember in 2nd grade, a kid brought a note from his parent which was written in a few dozen tiny Post-It notes. The teacher was furious about the improperness of the format of the message. That just came to mind seeing yet another too-fucking-long Twitter thread.

This comment is in every thread that links to a Twitter thread. Please don't do another one. If it was really such an ineffective method of communication, it wouldn't be on the front page.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

I am very much interested in furthering this discussion. Every so often there is something big like this in the news, we talk about it for a few days and then forget about it. Nothing substantially changes. No big consequences for the guilty. How do we fix this?

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

#153

It’s interesting that only republican states are holding google accountable on all this.

That’s not quite true. The specific lawsuit from which these documents originate (related to ad tech) was filed by Republican states but the Justice Department’s antitrust division, led by a Biden appointment attorney, is involved and is preparing a second lawsuit. One of Biden’s stated goals is to tighten antitrust violations in tech.

There is also the other antitrust lawsuit related to the Playstore that were filed by blue and red states.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

#154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of these products are leaded or toxic. I had a Mandalorian mug gifted to me by a dumb gen-Z friend of mine and it came with an Amazon return receipt showing it came from a 3rd party seller despite the availability of the same official LucasFilm mug being sold by Amazon.com. I don't trust products from random sellers so I scratched off some of the glaze and tested it for lead, and what do you know..it was leaded.…

I'm not a very trusting person. The custom stamps I purchased were ordered directly from the government's official website. I simply didn't know the product existed before I saw the advertisement. The rug was from ruggable.com (which seems fine) and the water bottle was ZOQQ (which looks questionable no matter what store it's purchased from). I can't control the behaviour of others, but it's somewhat beside the point…

Same here. I see. I suppose my comment was just to convey how a lot of people end up buying toxic stuff through ads because they just click and buy without regard to where they are or going on the web.

It seems like you know exactly what to do with regard to authenticity, no knock on you.

Yeah, unfortunately we can't control the masses, let alone even friends and family, so these ads and products will thrive.

It's a bit sad because products used to come from trusted local vendors.

Now, a whole host of health problems and diseases are gonna be cropping up in people due to e-commerce. I wonder if we can already see that with the prevalence statistics.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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post #43

> Re: forced Chrome logins. Don't need cookies if you own the browser! ( https://twitter.com/fasterthanlime/status/145209451374118912... ) The swindle with FLOC was pretty obviously tied in this, but people still went in circles discussing whether it's private or not, and downvoting those who said FLOC is a trap. Let's consult the plan, nothing is even secret about this: - Google disables third-party cookies, crippli…

Woah, so if a user is logged into chrome, Google has permission / is able to track all web activity for that user?

Last time I checked, they also removed the "identity consistency between browser and cookie jar" flag that controlled automatically signing into Chrome if you signed into a Google service like YouTube. It is no longer possible to turn it off.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right - That’s another practice is morally dubious (And imo should be outlawed!) (Not on the purchasing companies side, but on google selling keywords for someone’s brandname which effectively forces companies into bidding for their own name)

> You are right - That’s another practice is morally dubious (And imo should be outlawed!) Where this gets tricky is when a business has a name along the lines of [city name] [generic product category]. If this was outlawed, a competitor to a business named Foo-town Yard Care would be effectively blocked from advertising on Google.

Can you get a trademark for Foo-town Yard Care?

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

#157

I remember in 2nd grade, a kid brought a note from his parent which was written in a few dozen tiny Post-It notes. The teacher was furious about the improperness of the format of the message. That just came to mind seeing yet another too-fucking-long Twitter thread.

Not every discussion needs to be held in a formal context. It’s okay to have casual conversations

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

#158

Hello advertisers. You are being manipulated and abused just like the consumers you are targeting. There is very little evidence to show that invasive digital advertising is actually effective. When was the last time you clicked on one of these ads and actually made a purchase? Bad for consumers and bad for advertisers. Why continue with this opaque, profit sucking charade that mainly enriches those selling the ads?

> Hello advertisers. You are being manipulated and abused just like the consumers you are targeting. Do you have much evidence for this? Advertisers don’t spend big bucks blindly. Many companies have significant data science teams that keep an extremely close watch on ad spend return on investment.

The Freakonomics podcast did a short series on advertising and it turns out advertisers often do spend big bucks blindly.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

#159

It’s interesting that only republican states are holding google accountable on all this.

Specifically, activist GOP states; some of the most corrupt politicians on the planet. I’m sure there’s actionable antitrust against Google, but this particular lawsuit is probably hot air.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

#160
post #32

Let's not blame a whole company for what some small part of it did. Google does a lot of good in this world. They were the first "ethical" tech company, the first tech company with "hacker values" at heart. "do no evil" is still a core value there.

> Let's not blame a whole company for what some small part of it did.

I think it's clear that it wasn't just one small part of Google. Multiple teams were involved in different projects aimed towards the same general goal.

And to the extent that it was a "small part", it's because there was an active effort to try to prevent it from leaking. That hardly counts in their favor.

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