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Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by shin_lao »

eps wrote: post #25

In related news - ever wondered why Windows 11 can't be installed on "older computers"? You know, the ones that don't have a TPM chip? Now you know. Windows 11 completes the lock-up of the OS. That's why Windows 11 exists in the first place. All other changes are secondary. Microsoft knows they would've not been able to pull shit like this as a Windows 10 update, so they were effectively forced to do a version increa…

It can be installed without a TPM chip. My computer does not have a TPM and they say it will soon be eligible for Windows 11. If you can't wait, you can do a full install using an ISO image.

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Post by DeathArrow »

eps wrote: post #25

In related news - ever wondered why Windows 11 can't be installed on "older computers"? You know, the ones that don't have a TPM chip? Now you know. Windows 11 completes the lock-up of the OS. That's why Windows 11 exists in the first place. All other changes are secondary. Microsoft knows they would've not been able to pull shit like this as a Windows 10 update, so they were effectively forced to do a version increa…

>Just like what Apple has with its AppStore and its wonderful, wonderful 30% commission.

At least Google is planning to lower their 30% commission for a bit.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

broodbucket wrote: post #63
pjmlp wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically I have been using Linux via VMWare for about 10 years now, because I got fed up with Year of Linux Desktop, which to this day still doesn't provide a proper experience to anyone that cares about graphics programming and usable UI/UX tooling. When my Asus Netbook dies (1215B with XUbuntu), the next UNIX travel laptop will be an Air. So you can spare the talk about how much GNU/Linux has progressed, since I…

Have you ever considered that there's a huge amount of users that don't care about "graphics programming and usable UI/UX tooling"? Maybe Linux on the desktop doesn't suit your individual needs, but you seem awfully combative about it on the basis of your specific niche.

Some Linux Desktop are loudly combative about how great Linux Desktop is and seem to consider it some kind of failing if someone else doesn't agree. It's always "you chose the wrong distro!"[0] or "you have to be more picky with hardware!"[1], or even "it works for me, so you must be lying!". I imagine decades of experience with that person on internet forums is what has shaped parent's combativeness.

[0] for literally any distro choice

[1] even when it isn't a hardware problem

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by account-5 »

I built a computer in 2012 approx. Its still going strong running MX Linux. I'm running Win 10 in vbox. I'm sure it would run Win 10 but I'm not in the habit of running something that find of phoning home. As long as I can run Windows for the few things I need if for in vbox I don't care. It would amuse me that I would be running an os in software that wouldn't run on my hardware!

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by addicted »

dotancohen wrote: post #175
Krasnol wrote: post #158

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The fact that you had to narrow it down to some arbitrary "popular" category to not touch the topic speaks for itself.

Alright then, what unpopular end-user software cannot be installed and run with a mouse in e.g. Ubuntu?

I’m also struggling to understand why it would be difficult to create a mouse driven GUI for any CLI based app.

In fact, there are apps that can do that automatically. Admittedly these apps tend to create not very good UIs, but the point is that it’s not hard at all.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by DeathArrow »

ddalex wrote: post #108
dTal wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Dan would eventually find out about the free kernels, even entire free operating systems, that had existed around the turn of the century. But not only were they illegal, like debuggers—you could not install one if you had one, without knowing your computer's root password. And neither the FBI nor Microsoft Support would tell you that." --Richard Stallman, "The Right To Read"

Stallman was ALMOST right. The fight is not about which programs the user can run, but who controls the user data

>The fight is not about which programs the user can run, but who controls the user data

But the user data is mostly in the cloud, owned by Apple, MS, Google, Amazon, Facebook.

In the future we will be lucky to have apps that work offline with local data.

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Post by rightbyte »

schmorptron wrote: post #150
e2le wrote: post #118

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Measured boot and secure storage of keys. It's not all bad.

That's good to hear then! So will most computers having a TPM chip lead to easier integration of secure boot with i.e. linux distros as well?

I had to disable secure boot to get Nvidia's drivers to work. So I guess the end result might be more hardware trouble for distros, with a subsystem that tries to prevent usage of the computer when it is not happy.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by e12e »

neilalexander wrote: post #163
Jensson wrote: post #143

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Not without massive loss of users. Both Microsoft and Apple would love to lock down their platforms, but they have to do it in tandem or users will flock to the other. So we will see a slow lock-in creep until they look like current day smartphones. Only way to stop this is to react strongly, so if most users are apathetic like you then it is inevitable. Of course I believe that you are right and most are this apathe…

Apathetic — no. I’m aware of the control creep in the industry, but I do think that it seems unnecessarily alarmist to think that Apple just can’t wait to lock down macOS. There is nothing to gain by them doing so and I would be incredibly surprised if they didn’t already know that. iOS is and has always been a closed platform. We knew that the day they announced the first iPhone and they have been consistent in thei…

> iOS is and has always been a closed platform. We knew that the day they announced the first iPhone

Didn't the phone launch without an app store an web/html based apps?

https://www.businessinsider.com/first-phone-anniversary-2016...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS_1#Third-party_appl...

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by EvanAnderson »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #156
FDSGSG wrote: post #127

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>purely arbitrary As if years of experience hasn't taught us that opt-in security is stupid. This would be arbitrary if the TPM was useless, but it isn't.

We have to disagree here. The threat models where the security that TPM offers are mostly applicable to the enterprise and business sectors where all devices on the network/AD/VPN have to be trusted and their storage encrypted. There TPM makes perfect sense. You average consumer/home user does not benefit at all from the features of TPM since they're not subject to the same threat model. Here TPM, and also stuff of t…

To give an example harm caused by the TPM / disk encryption feature in the consumer space: A recently-deceased friend's wife contacted me about getting personal data off from her late husband's computers. I ended up being able to get nothing for her.

My friend, no doubt influenced by dementia and paranoia he was feeling, changed the passwords, made no note of them, and subsequently died. The computers in question run Windows 10 using Bitlocker and key storage in the TPM.

The data is effectively gone. I believe he was using encrypted backups to a "cloud" storage provider, too, but I'm also fairly certain the key is only on these computers. (The Windows accounts on these machines are local accounts so the Bitlocker recovery keys weren't saved on Microsoft's servers either.)

Matters were arguably handled poorly on my friend's part prior to his becoming of unsound mind. He wasn't terribly technically savvy and I'm not sure he considered the "losing my own mind" threat model. Nonetheless, it adds insult to injury that Bitlocker, which added no security for his day-to-day use, effectively caused the loss of his data.

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Post by kuschkufan »

Oddskar wrote: post #58
Gargyle wrote: post #8

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Where did they actually do nice things? VSCode is still not entirely open source and the official builds have spyware included.

It's honestly weird to see "Telemetry" labeled as "Spyware" by a technical people that, quite frankly, should know better. Spyware is NOT the same as gathering Telemetry data. You can also just turn off Telemetry in VSCode in the settings. I think a vast majority of people on HN gather data on customer usage of the products that they build. Because it ultimately makes us able to tailor the products better for our cus…

What did you expect? Microsoft labeling their data collection actions as "spyware" themselves? "Spyware" is a term used by people who oppose data collection, they didn't ask for. "Telemetry" is an euphemism by the ones that build this data collection into their apps.
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