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Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by Dma54rhs »

jqpabc123 wrote: post #4

Hello advertisers. You are being manipulated and abused just like the consumers you are targeting. There is very little evidence to show that invasive digital advertising is actually effective. When was the last time you clicked on one of these ads and actually made a purchase? Bad for consumers and bad for advertisers. Why continue with this opaque, profit sucking charade that mainly enriches those selling the ads?

You're tricked if you think so yourself, all the small businesses measure it and that is why FB and Google are so rich. Its like saying you're been tricked to think computers are useful for your productivity, it's insanity. You can argue if big corps spending just to keep coca cola on in front of your eyes is useful or not. To what extent but that's entirely different conversation.

When was the last time you died? Death still exists.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by lordnacho »

jqpabc123 wrote: post #4

Hello advertisers. You are being manipulated and abused just like the consumers you are targeting. There is very little evidence to show that invasive digital advertising is actually effective. When was the last time you clicked on one of these ads and actually made a purchase? Bad for consumers and bad for advertisers. Why continue with this opaque, profit sucking charade that mainly enriches those selling the ads?

I don't know, I dabbled in ecommerce and while it wasn't a roaring success, people definitely did click the ads and buy the product, and I made a tiny bit of money. My guess is if someone actually knew a few more things than me they could make it work properly.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by jqpabc123 »

qnsi wrote: post #8

What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

... the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market.

The alternative business model is so simple and is already in place --- simply advertise based on expressed interest.

This is what DuckDuckGo is doing very effectively. Show ads based on search words. No global, privacy invading network required. Amazon is doing the same quite effectively. Their ad business is growing by leaps and bounds simply by showing ads based on search terms.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by matt123456789 »

freen wrote: post #9
echelon wrote: post #5

When can we send the leadership to federal prison instead of slapping them on the wrist with paltry fines? This has been used to inflate and extort advertising dollars. It has utterly trashed the web, gutted Mozilla, created a corporate tech monoculture controlled by platform giants, and led our social media engagement crisis. Break up these companies and send the leaders that approved of this to jail.

Well, if Starcom and Omnicom actually represented their clients, they would both sue and file criminal charges for fraud. They don’t. So they won’t. I wonder, to what degree the big agencies are complicit? If I spent any dollars at all on ads on either Facebook or google I would be filing criminal charges.

Isn’t this price fixing? That’s a criminal federal offense. The US Government would have to bring the criminal charges, although you (and likely the FTC) could bring charges for damages.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by yobbo »

qnsi wrote: post #8

What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

How would anyone compete with a scam business model? Ad buyers don't care if it's effective. Or rather they need convincing-looking gibberish to convince their bosses that they're worthwhile. Bosses don't want to seem stupid and are afraid of missing out, so they let it continue.

I suppose a free-speech distributed search service could make a difference if it was actually better than google. Imagine with distributed hosting similar to mail/dns-servers, where ISP:s could redirect their traffic to local mirrors.

Really slick alternatives to walled-garden apps as interfaces to standard protocol services like imap/matrix/etc, and make sure the servers are reliable and painless to set up.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by bellyfullofbac »

I remember in 2nd grade, a kid brought a note from his parent which was written in a few dozen tiny Post-It notes. The teacher was furious about the improperness of the format of the message.

That just came to mind seeing yet another too-fucking-long Twitter thread.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by croes »

lordnacho wrote: post #22
jqpabc123 wrote: post #4

Hello advertisers. You are being manipulated and abused just like the consumers you are targeting. There is very little evidence to show that invasive digital advertising is actually effective. When was the last time you clicked on one of these ads and actually made a purchase? Bad for consumers and bad for advertisers. Why continue with this opaque, profit sucking charade that mainly enriches those selling the ads?

I don't know, I dabbled in ecommerce and while it wasn't a roaring success, people definitely did click the ads and buy the product, and I made a tiny bit of money. My guess is if someone actually knew a few more things than me they could make it work properly.

It's not about effectiveness of ads but if it's more effective as previous methods and are the huge data collections necessary for the effect.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Post by csee »

echelon wrote: post #5

When can we send the leadership to federal prison instead of slapping them on the wrist with paltry fines? This has been used to inflate and extort advertising dollars. It has utterly trashed the web, gutted Mozilla, created a corporate tech monoculture controlled by platform giants, and led our social media engagement crisis. Break up these companies and send the leaders that approved of this to jail.

Yep, jail sentences.

Fines are good but don't work that well, even if they're large, because of agency conflict of interest. It's mostly the shareholders who are paying the price. The execs already saw their call option paid off with their 10 years of comp while they were running this scam (among others).

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