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Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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It takes two things for programs like "Jedi Blue" to happen.

First, you need sociopaths in leadership positions who champion this 'great idea' they've figured out. These people often rise up in large companies because they are willing to do this sort of thing without any remorse.

But second, you need developers to build it. A large number of them, usually, for a big project like this.

Dozens of people like us knew they were building a piece of software that was obviously illegal. Oh sure, management had probably told them some version of "but you see, it's legal because...". At a company that spent decades claiming they only hire the smartest people in the world, that doesn't pass the test for me- they had to know.

Which means that the people who built this fall into two categories, in my mind. Those who understand they're doing something illegal, but don't care- future sociopath leaders themselves. And those who know it's illegal but are too cowardly to walk away, to whistle blow, to do something about it.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

If you have spent money on google ads, contact your local attorney general.

They may have defrauded you.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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Hello advertisers. You are being manipulated and abused just like the consumers you are targeting. There is very little evidence to show that invasive digital advertising is actually effective. When was the last time you clicked on one of these ads and actually made a purchase? Bad for consumers and bad for advertisers. Why continue with this opaque, profit sucking charade that mainly enriches those selling the ads?

What we found at a previous employer through extensive testing: advertising on Facebook works pretty well, but the highest return on ad spend was to not use any of the demographic tools at all. Also, weirdly, having an attractive product and displaying it well in photo and video ads did very well. Almost as if there is no real magic trick of effectiveness at all.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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post #11

It takes two things for programs like "Jedi Blue" to happen. First, you need sociopaths in leadership positions who champion this 'great idea' they've figured out. These people often rise up in large companies because they are willing to do this sort of thing without any remorse. But second, you need developers to build it. A large number of them, usually, for a big project like this. Dozens of people like us knew th…

What you are saying is that morals and laws are the same thing, which they are not. Laws can very well be immoral, and sense of morality depends entirely on each one of us.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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post #8

What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

Install Firefox and ublock on every single device of friends and family, including mobiles. Reject walled garden not allowing blocking ads.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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post #8

What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

Data intermediaries - our data is placed there, like our cash in a bank - and Fuckerberg and Co have to pay us for access. Like the banks pay us interest for giving them cash. Point being Google, FB, Twitter et al pay out more and get less and therefore are less exploitative douchebags whose activities and unintended consequences at scale are also less.

Well explained here - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Np5ri-KktNs

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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post #11

It takes two things for programs like "Jedi Blue" to happen. First, you need sociopaths in leadership positions who champion this 'great idea' they've figured out. These people often rise up in large companies because they are willing to do this sort of thing without any remorse. But second, you need developers to build it. A large number of them, usually, for a big project like this. Dozens of people like us knew th…

I believe financial crime like this is far easier to be "on terms" with, if you're already in a system/team that condones it, since it has no direct victims. X Bank and AdTech startup Y might hurt, but there's no real impact.

There's also the fact that by the time you notice that something's off, you might already have implicated yourself in the crime and are afraid of getting in trouble. Probably not what happened in this case, but it does happen.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

#18

Hello advertisers. You are being manipulated and abused just like the consumers you are targeting. There is very little evidence to show that invasive digital advertising is actually effective. When was the last time you clicked on one of these ads and actually made a purchase? Bad for consumers and bad for advertisers. Why continue with this opaque, profit sucking charade that mainly enriches those selling the ads?

What we found at a previous employer through extensive testing: advertising on Facebook works pretty well, but the highest return on ad spend was to not use any of the demographic tools at all. Also, weirdly, having an attractive product and displaying it well in photo and video ads did very well. Almost as if there is no real magic trick of effectiveness at all.

For us google ads was insane. I d encourage Google to keep record on everyone and everything after having seen how incredible their client to business matching is: as a small company, in a niche b2b product (waste management software), we got big name random calls days after starting to pay Google.

In another company we spent millions on Facebook and got relatively little out of it (predatory lending marketing), we had again more success just reducing friction, simplifying the message and putting it on Google with massive keyword spam. The least we protected users, the more they paid us.

Re: Google has a secret deal with FB called “Jedi Blue” that they knew was illegal

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post #8

What can we as people in top 1% with 1) information about big tech abuses 2) skills to fix this do? Individually we can use browsers like firefox or brave and probably donate time or money to them, but I think it's not enough. I think we would need something like a movement against those abuses, but probably the biggest win would be a business model that could win with them in the free market. Is this possible? Has a…

Can a campaign like Mozilla did to promote firefox when ie6 was a monopoly work?

Promote a different browser when someone uses chrome with the possibility to get explanations about it. Contacting admins of sites that only works in chrome, this kind of thing.

Could this information be used to try to push chromium based browser like brave and edge to switch to another engine, lowering the influence of google on the web?

This will not adress the whole google service spectrum but chrome is the trojan horse for a lot of google strategies.

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