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Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by broodbucket »

gavinray wrote: post #77
broodbucket wrote: post #63

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Have you ever considered that there's a huge amount of users that don't care about "graphics programming and usable UI/UX tooling"? Maybe Linux on the desktop doesn't suit your individual needs, but you seem awfully combative about it on the basis of your specific niche.

> "Maybe Linux on the desktop doesn't suit your individual needs, but you seem awfully combative about it on the basis of your specific niche." I see your point. Devils advocate: we're each the center of our own universe, so whatever it is we find important is the marker for usability for us. Ideally an OS should have tools for everything. Though I'm not certain if "Graphics Programming" means like GUI in C++ (pjmlp…

VS on Linux would indeed be great. I had to make a Win10 VM the other day to compile a C# WinForms project that I could run fine in Wine but couldn't modify. Similar deal with reverse engineering, Cheat Engine runs surprisingly well in Wine but none of the Mono stuff works.

I do think it's a little reductive to discuss Linux struggling with things like Visual Studio that are only relevant because Windows is relevant, but that is our unfortunate reality.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by MikusR »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #73
MikusR wrote: post #60

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It started with Vista. Due to DRM you can't play your own videos. Only DRM protected ones.

How so? I could play all my pirated DVD rips just fine back then (DivX .avi), same how I can play pirated Bluray, Netflix, Amazon, etc. rips on Windows 10 and 11 (.mkv).

Yes that didn't happen. It was FUD spread around back then. Like with TPM now.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by Jensson »

neilalexander wrote: post #97
antman wrote: post #92

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Ofcourse they don’t force anything because of the competing windows platform which is more open up to now. Apple assumed market dominance and locked everything down on mobile. What I infer from your observation is that closing down Windows could also adversely affect Mac users, since Apple would not miss this opportunity.

Apple could have done it with the Apple Silicon transition and yet didn’t. More inclined to believe actions over words at this point.

Not without massive loss of users. Both Microsoft and Apple would love to lock down their platforms, but they have to do it in tandem or users will flock to the other. So we will see a slow lock-in creep until they look like current day smartphones.

Only way to stop this is to react strongly, so if most users are apathetic like you then it is inevitable. Of course I believe that you are right and most are this apathetic, so from my perspective this is inevitable. When they roll out the enforced appstore you will say something along the lines of "but this appstore is secure and I can get all the programs I wanted from it anyway, and even if I couldn't would I really want an insecure program?".

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by FDSGSG »

no_time wrote: post #136
FDSGSG wrote: post #122

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This reads exactly like the crazy conspiracy theory nonsense that FOSS-clowns were pushing out regarding Secure Boot. How did that end up? Well, turns out that they can now safely be called clowns.

The water is getting so hot the frog is having problems breathing from all the steam. "Crazy conspiracy!" He yells between two heavy gasps for air.

Oh piss off, nonsense like this is why we still don't have any Linux distros shipping reasonable FDE implementations.

I sure hate to be able to kind of trust my computer http://0pointer.net/blog/authenticated-boot-and-disk-encrypt...

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by maccolgan »

garganzol wrote: post #104
amyjess wrote: post #29

Because of things like this, I'm at the point where I consider the invention of public-key encryption to be the worst thing that's ever happened to the world. If governments had _immediately_ preemptively classified anything related to assymetric encryption—and actively enforced the classified status—as soon as the first research into it started appearing, the world would be a much better place than it is now.

This is a slippery slope way of thinking. One would argue that appearance of computers is similarly evil, but many of us can confirm that this is not true. It all depends on who uses the tool and their motives, not on the tool itself. The tool is powerful but it's totally neutral. And can be used for both bad (dominance, ransom) and good things (security).

>who uses the tool and their motives, not on the tool itself. The tool is powerful but it's totally neutral.

What if we had computer control like gun control?

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by agumonkey »

elmo2you wrote: post #41

Monopoly abuse by any other name is still just that. Microsoft never did change, nor will it, no mater how many they manage to fool, manipulate or bribe. It remains a criminal enterprise that should be cut down. But that will never happen, as long as the government(s) controlling this company are made of the same DNA. Good luck to those who have the luxury of a choice to avoid this company (and similar ones). Even mo…

Microsoft shouldn't rely on this too much honestly. They still have mass, money and maybe an edge but the rest of the world changed, and is potentially ready to pick up the pieces if need be.

I thought recent efforts of MS were a sign of wisdom somehow.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by broodbucket »

patrec wrote: post #109
broodbucket wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever considered that there's a huge amount of users that don't care about "graphics programming and usable UI/UX tooling"? Maybe Linux on the desktop doesn't suit your individual needs, but you seem awfully combative about it on the basis of your specific niche.

> Have you ever considered that there's a huge amount of users that don't care about "graphics programming and usable UI/UX tooling"? Have you ever considered that this "huge amount of users" might not care about graphics programming or usable UI/UX tooling, but that >99% of them sure care about either graphics (games, photos, video, digital painting, ...) or usable UIs and UX? I'm using Linux all the time, and it's…

I'm not saying those things aren't important, but they don't warrant the outright dismissal that I was replying to.

Linux has an obvious lack of contribution from designers, designers are employed for products, noone is making money selling desktop Linux as a product. Also, most designers aren't tinkering with open source software alternatives in their free time like developers do.

I also feel like I'm missing something because my experience on desktop Linux is way better than anything I've ever had on Windows or Mac, meanwhile everyone's saying it's unusable. Can't be easy for the handful of people working on desktop environments and the like.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by no_time »

eps wrote: post #25

In related news - ever wondered why Windows 11 can't be installed on "older computers"? You know, the ones that don't have a TPM chip? Now you know. Windows 11 completes the lock-up of the OS. That's why Windows 11 exists in the first place. All other changes are secondary. Microsoft knows they would've not been able to pull shit like this as a Windows 10 update, so they were effectively forced to do a version increa…

Correct. It's one thing that the general population doesn't know what a TPM is but I just can't fathom how do governments deal with the fact that their entire nation's computing is about to be run under lock and key controlled by an american company. You could make the argument that up until this point it was possible to coexist with window's BS because despite it's closed nature, it was extensively documented and had workarounds to all to all treachorous functionality. But it's about to get a LOT worse with 11.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Post by dotancohen »

Krasnol wrote: post #103
peteri wrote: post #95

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There are several reasons for Windows popularity today: Active Directory - The centralised control it gives corporates. Games and DirectX - Although this seems to be getting to be less of a reason. Backwards compatibility - Windows 16 bit apps are now dead, but you can take the VB6 code I wrote pre-Y2K and run it today. Linux fragmentation - It's difficult to support all the Linux variations with a single binary (or…

There is also one reason many here don't see: you don't have to bother with the console. Everything can be installed and run with a mouse. Don't take me wrong. I understand the good sides of console programs. You can do a lot there but your average user doesn't care.

What popular end-user software cannot be installed and run with a mouse in e.g. Ubuntu?

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Post by schmorptron »

e2le wrote: post #118
schmorptron wrote: post #114

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Does a TPM chip actually bring any relevant security advantages for end users, or is it just for DRM?

Measured boot and secure storage of keys. It's not all bad.

That's good to hear then! So will most computers having a TPM chip lead to easier integration of secure boot with i.e. linux distros as well?
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