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Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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In related news - ever wondered why Windows 11 can't be installed on "older computers"? You know, the ones that don't have a TPM chip? Now you know. Windows 11 completes the lock-up of the OS. That's why Windows 11 exists in the first place. All other changes are secondary. Microsoft knows they would've not been able to pull shit like this as a Windows 10 update, so they were effectively forced to do a version increa…

"Dan would eventually find out about the free kernels, even entire free operating systems, that had existed around the turn of the century. But not only were they illegal, like debuggers—you could not install one if you had one, without knowing your computer's root password. And neither the FBI nor Microsoft Support would tell you that."

--Richard Stallman, "The Right To Read"

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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But it will be built on top of WSL3 and all hackers will jump of joy with Windows/Linux.

Many people only use Windows because the software they have don't have a Linux build. Maybe people should start pressuring vendors to make Linux builds and that could end Windows.

Ironically I have been using Linux via VMWare for about 10 years now, because I got fed up with Year of Linux Desktop, which to this day still doesn't provide a proper experience to anyone that cares about graphics programming and usable UI/UX tooling.

When my Asus Netbook dies (1215B with XUbuntu), the next UNIX travel laptop will be an Air.

So you can spare the talk about how much GNU/Linux has progressed, since I see it every time I take that netbook into use.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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The article mentions Process Explorer. Since Sysinternals were bought by Microsoft many years ago and the tools are distributed directly via Microsoft, such tools are unlikely to have an issue being signed. A brief history of the process for those not following it. Originally for kernel-mode drivers, you needed a code signing certificate cross signed by Microsoft's root . This means that the certificate follows a cha…

Very informative. And presumably on OSX none of this applies because it's all BSD underneath? Or is OSX different again to just running BSD out of the box?

On macOS, you have those options:

- SIP off (totally, or just driver signature enforcement)

- kernel driver (deprecated, Apple doesn’t issue new certs anymore it seems)

- system extension (user-mode driver, explicitly intended for device compatibility)

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people only use Windows because the software they have don't have a Linux build. Maybe people should start pressuring vendors to make Linux builds and that could end Windows.

Bingo. Switched from 10 years of Debian-based linux (mostly Ubuntu, recently Pop_OS) to Windows because of some MIDI driver thing I could not get to install in WINE. I have had a significantly less pleasant time on both Win10 and Win11, and it's slow as hell. Ubuntu/Ubuntu-derivatives with Regolith as a DE + Tiling WM is the best computing experience I've ever had (Disclaimer: Have never used a Mac. Have been told OS…

>slow as hell It's surprising how poorly Windows performs. Many people who don't use it may have not noticed how bad it's gotten in the last 5 years.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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An immensly powerful and useful tool. Can't live without it. Hopefully the situation resolves soon. What is it with MS these past few months? It's like they're trying to throw away the little community goodwill they managed to build up over the years.

Quite a lot of community goodwill, unfairly granted. I've lost count of how many times I've read on this very forum, "calling it Micro$oft is childish, they're a changed company, Nadella is better than Ballmer, etc".

They are as hostile to free software as they ever were. Why wouldn't they be? It's antithetical to their business model. The only thing that's changed is how sneaky they are about their time-honored tactic - embrace, extend, extinguish.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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An immensly powerful and useful tool. Can't live without it. Hopefully the situation resolves soon. What is it with MS these past few months? It's like they're trying to throw away the little community goodwill they managed to build up over the years.

Where did they actually do nice things? VSCode is still not entirely open source and the official builds have spyware included.

It's honestly weird to see "Telemetry" labeled as "Spyware" by a technical people that, quite frankly, should know better.

Spyware is NOT the same as gathering Telemetry data.

You can also just turn off Telemetry in VSCode in the settings.

I think a vast majority of people on HN gather data on customer usage of the products that they build. Because it ultimately makes us able to tailor the products better for our customers. It's just ignorant to put this in the same category as applications that slurp up as much data as they can for e.g. ad-profiles or to sell that data off to the highest bidder.

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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In related news - ever wondered why Windows 11 can't be installed on "older computers"? You know, the ones that don't have a TPM chip? Now you know. Windows 11 completes the lock-up of the OS. That's why Windows 11 exists in the first place. All other changes are secondary. Microsoft knows they would've not been able to pull shit like this as a Windows 10 update, so they were effectively forced to do a version increa…

I can't bring myself to be sad when the outcome is a more secure os. If anything I want /less/ user power. Imagine a world where you can start a "private" chat and not even need to worry about screenshots. I'd love that personally. And what's the downside? I lose features that only matter to the cyber politicos?

Re: Microsoft no longer signs Windows drivers for Process Hacker

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In related news - ever wondered why Windows 11 can't be installed on "older computers"? You know, the ones that don't have a TPM chip? Now you know. Windows 11 completes the lock-up of the OS. That's why Windows 11 exists in the first place. All other changes are secondary. Microsoft knows they would've not been able to pull shit like this as a Windows 10 update, so they were effectively forced to do a version increa…

It started with Vista. Due to DRM you can't play your own videos. Only DRM protected ones.
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