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Re: Google digital advertising antitrust litigation [pdf]

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159-169, about Google being able to decrypt end-to-end encrypted WA (WhatsApp) communications is terrifying. The fact that Google has known this for over 5 years and made no effort to notify the public is what really got me. What's fucked up is that Google Drive backups are the only ones WA offers, and naturally everyone wants their messages backed up so they turn it on, not knowing the implications.

WA?

Re: Google digital advertising antitrust litigation [pdf]

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post #31

159-169, about Google being able to decrypt end-to-end encrypted WA (WhatsApp) communications is terrifying. The fact that Google has known this for over 5 years and made no effort to notify the public is what really got me. What's fucked up is that Google Drive backups are the only ones WA offers, and naturally everyone wants their messages backed up so they turn it on, not knowing the implications.

WA?

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Re: Google digital advertising antitrust litigation [pdf]

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Google should be broken up into 5 parts: Search/Adwords/Mail/Drive, Android, Chrome, Maps & GCP.

Problem is only one of those things make money.

I'd say 3 of those make money. The first one, Android with the Play Store, and GCP with Firebase gaining popularity, should all be bringing in enough money to be self-sustaining.

Re: Google digital advertising antitrust litigation [pdf]

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249. The speed benefits Google marketed were also at least partly a result of Google’s throttling. Google throttles the load time of non-AMP ads by giving them artificial one-second delays in order to give Google AMP a “nice comparative boost.” Throttling non-AMP ads slows down header bidding, which Google then uses to denigrate header bidding for being too slow. “Header Bidding can often increase latency of web page…

“The design of it was discussed in https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/3133. It wasn't done nefariously. AMP prioritizes the page content and verified elements first over non-AMP content (including non-AMP ads).”

From an older discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25448718

Re: Google digital advertising antitrust litigation [pdf]

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post #31

159-169, about Google being able to decrypt end-to-end encrypted WA (WhatsApp) communications is terrifying. The fact that Google has known this for over 5 years and made no effort to notify the public is what really got me. What's fucked up is that Google Drive backups are the only ones WA offers, and naturally everyone wants their messages backed up so they turn it on, not knowing the implications.

WA?

WhatsApp. My bad on that one - edited it.

Re: Google digital advertising antitrust litigation [pdf]

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post #16

Google should be broken up into 5 parts: Search/Adwords/Mail/Drive, Android, Chrome, Maps & GCP.

Ads would need to be split up further, as well. It's ridiculous that Google controls the marketplace, buying of ads on that marketplace, and selling ad placements.

Agreed! GCP should be broken up as well. It is incredibly unfair to third party services that Google is both supplying the platform and the competing services. This is probably a bigger problem on AWS though.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

AMP does have better experience from the users perspective. The backlash is from the techies only. I assumed that the non-amp websites were slower due to the JS bloat, I still despise what the Web pages has become, however it turns out Google wasn't a honest broker here and instead of providing a tool that helps them and the users, they provided a tool that helps them and harms the users and bullies the website owner…

FWIW Amplosion (paid iOS extension to automatically redirect AMP pages) is quite highly ranked on the app store. It clearly isn't only techies that dislike it so much that they actually pay to get rid of AMP.

Could be, I can't remote-sense feelings but never heard of a non-techie complaining about it. It might have become annoying when sharing though, I think they later made it harder to find the non-amp link(The AMP link looks weird, as if you are sharing the wrong URL).

Anyway, the AMP experience was a fresh breath in the world of 10-20 seconds webpage loading times. You see the lightning icon, tap it and the content instantly comes. Swipe right and left to go through the other results and everything is displayed instantly, top notch experience - especially when Googling for stuff from the news websites.

Re: Google digital advertising antitrust litigation [pdf]

#38

159-169, about Google being able to decrypt end-to-end encrypted WA (WhatsApp) communications is terrifying. The fact that Google has known this for over 5 years and made no effort to notify the public is what really got me. What's fucked up is that Google Drive backups are the only ones WA offers, and naturally everyone wants their messages backed up so they turn it on, not knowing the implications.

I think WhatsApp addressed this recently. It was an issue with both iOS and Android, where chat backups were not end to end encrypted. I think this was an absolutely absurd gap that betrayed customer trust, but it isn’t clear to me if Facebook is more at fault than Google and Apple or if it is the other way.

WhatsApp blog post on encrypted backups: https://about.fb.com/news/2021/10/end-to-end-encrypted-backu...

Re: Google digital advertising antitrust litigation [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were people defending AMP? Everything I've heard about it was backlash

AMP does have better experience from the users perspective. The backlash is from the techies only. I assumed that the non-amp websites were slower due to the JS bloat, I still despise what the Web pages has become, however it turns out Google wasn't a honest broker here and instead of providing a tool that helps them and the users, they provided a tool that helps them and harms the users and bullies the website owner…

To me it didn’t really make much of a difference other than preventing me from easily copying the URL.

Re: Google digital advertising antitrust litigation [pdf]

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159-169, about Google being able to decrypt end-to-end encrypted WA (WhatsApp) communications is terrifying. The fact that Google has known this for over 5 years and made no effort to notify the public is what really got me. What's fucked up is that Google Drive backups are the only ones WA offers, and naturally everyone wants their messages backed up so they turn it on, not knowing the implications.

Slight nitpick I know but decrypt here is the not quite the right word. The communications are still encrypted in flight but they are necessarily decrypted (by WhatsApp) on the end (your device). This unencrypted file is then provided to drive if you select back up with Google drive in WhatsApp.

I'm in two minds about this one. I'm not really a fan of Google but realistically we're talking about backing up messages from a Facebook app. It is also possible to opt out and I know non technical people who have done so on the basis they don't want "more Google".

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