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Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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> Yet somehow nearly no one in America is aware of this or concerned about it. I wish I understood why that is. Because people love zoning! NIMBY is the rallying cry at zoning board hearings, where whiny people who only care about themselves make sure those Chinese people don't put their stinky laundromats near our nice rich white neighborhood. It's the main reason zoning exists! Particularly the wealthy people who h…

> NIMBY is the rallying cry at zoning board hearings, where whiny people who only care about themselves make sure those Chinese people don't put their stinky laundromats near our nice rich white neighborhood. Yes some of prefer zoning to "mixed" and "diverse" neighborhoods. What's wrong with me not willing to see a laundromat or an office building next to my house? Or what's wrong with me willing to live in quiet fam…

> What's wrong with me not willing Misery loves company. City-dwellers have to deal with crime, dodging homeless excrement, noise, and general unpleasantness? So should you.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Yes, it's cheaper to dump the container, and buy new one in China. Sounds absurd, but that's how it is.

Hmm. If anybody is sitting on an idea that needs used shipping containers, now might be the time to pick some up.

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Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Everyone's focused on Ryan's comments about stacking, and the subsequent win there. Amazing job, Ryan, and thank you Robert Garcia for being a man to take one on the chin (for this solution not coming from your team) and for then doing the right thing. I am seriously impressed by not seeing any NIH (not invented here) behavior here. But why stop there? Ryan suggested 5 courses of actions, and made it clear that we ne…

Also, isn't someone from the government supposed to be in charge of this? Shouldn't they be out there finding out what's happening? It seems odd that no one has tried this, yet as someone who has worked in a factory, I can easily believe that the absentee managers have no idea what the hell actually goes on among the workers. You need to spend significant actual time, to the point of working actual shifts, to get a c…

Temporary logistics czar. 1 year term, with the second half being transition to normal.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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The ceo of flexport rented a boat and toured the area and reported on issues people saw and reported to him. Very informative. Tweet thread @ https://twitter.com/typesfast/status/1451543776992845834 Or threadreader https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1451543776992845834.html

The renting a boat thing seems like a show. Hes got experts that should already know these things from other data sources. The boat thing is for simpletons in media to understand and spin

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Is this related somehow to China refusing to take USA's recycling material? IIRC shipping recycled material was super cheap. So many empty containers. Might as well fill them with something. Why aren't empty containers shipped back to China? Boat has to go back anyway, right? Did the empty containers pile up because no one was willing to pay to ship them back?

As I understand the shipping fee from China to the US is very expensive right now, so ships don't want to wait for ports to load empty containers on. They turn around ASAP to catch another shipment from China, leaving all these empty containers at destination ports.

Yep but every time you do that you basically permanently leave extra containers state side. Might as well flatten them because they will never go back

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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If that is true the rates for empty containers should increase making it worthwhile for ships to bring them back again?

Elsewhere someone mentioned it’s cheaper to build a new container in China than to ship and empty one over from the US. Even if you are already sending the boat. This sort of implies that it’s incredibly cheap to make the container, and/or it’s expensive to add that weight to the ship, and/or our ports are incredibly slow at loading empty containers onto ships.

Right it seems like if a ship leaves empty you might as well flatten all the containers because they won’t go back anytime soon. The solution is to make the ship pay for all that as a precondition to leaving empty

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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> A little off topic, but these ports don’t usually store so many empty crates, so why do we have them now? Are we not exporting at the same rate? Is that even what empty crates are used for? I’m assuming they aren’t sent back to (mostly?) China empty. My understanding is that the us doesn't send all that much back to china, and that it was a problem for a while but wasn't the bottleneck until recently.

I'm surprised it isn't worth it at some level to send a boat load (literally) of empty containers back? I know not every ship will just do the round trip China LA but presumably at least some number of them would.

It is worth it in the grand scheme of things but there appears to be no mechanism to charge all the benefitting parties. There is cost shifting going on that’s creating bottlenecks

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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I love how these commenters think they know something about shipping that the CEO of Flexport doesn’t (I’m referring to the person you replied to, BTW).

The Flexport CEO may know more, but the Flexport CEO also has an agenda of being profitable for the Flexport CEO. This may, or may not, align with being solutions and advice that benefits the public at large. In fact, it is becoming increasingly clear that things are currently "optimized" strongly enough that squeezing more profit out of the system generally corresponds to finding a sucker to take advantage of--norma…

“ The Flexport CEO may know more, but the Flexport CEO also has an agenda of being profitable for the Flexport CEO”

These are all for profit companies. It’s a bit utopian to suggest anything else would be better without providing any specific alternatives.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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> G/O Media Inc. is an American media holding company that runs Gizmodo, Kotaku, Jalopnik, Deadspin, Lifehacker, Jezebel, The Root, The A.V. Club, The Takeout, The Onion, and The Inventory - Wikipedia

> G/O was formed in April 2019 when Great Hill Partners, a private equity firm, purchased the websites from Univision for $20.6 million. Is it just me or is that a shockingly low amount for those websites?

Over the past decade advertisers shifted spending onto deep targeting (benefitting primarily FB and GOOG) and re-targeting (benefitting any rando site with lots of pageviews) away from interest-based publishers.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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When is the ceo of a company the real expert on anything? The ceo is the celebrity that makes the big decisions but rarely ever the actual ground level expert

A lot of the time when they found the company I find the CEO knows a lot about it

Even if they were once the expert and know a lot about the area they just have too many other responsibilities to be the ground level expert and be ceo at the same time. A good ceo will delegate to folks that understand the details because details are the difference between success and failure.
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