Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

Post by SteveGerencser » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 1:53 AM UTC

bobthepanda wrote: post #241

intricatedetail wrote: post #197

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> This is a system which assigns outgoing trucks an easily accessible container to deliver, rather than a specific container that has to be retrieved. This is such an obvious thing. Do they really have people so incompetent they didn't think of that? Wow

my understanding is that not all containers pay the same (since they are different weights, have different destinations, etc.) and so this mostly screws over the driver who loses the ability to select the best offer.

Post by Consultant32452 » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 1:59 AM UTC

kiklion wrote: post #331

kmonsen wrote: post #289

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If that is true the rates for empty containers should increase making it worthwhile for ships to bring them back again?

Elsewhere someone mentioned it’s cheaper to build a new container in China than to ship and empty one over from the US. Even if you are already sending the boat. This sort of implies that it’s incredibly cheap to make the container, and/or it’s expensive to add that weight to the ship, and/or our ports are incredibly slow at loading empty containers onto ships.

Post by SV_BubbleTime » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 2:02 AM UTC

skeletal88 wrote: post #271

codezero wrote: post #84

A little off topic, but these ports don’t usually store so many empty crates, so why do we have them now? Are we not exporting at the same rate? Is that even what empty crates are used for? I’m assuming they aren’t sent back to (mostly?) China empty. I read something about the prices to ship out of the US being very high, but isn’t the price coming in also similarly proportionally high, yet we still have a backlog of…

This is very bad for the rest of the world, and also for the US, since all the empty containers are stacking up there, then there aren't any empty containers available in China or anywhere else for exporters, so even getting your hands on an empty container can be very difficult or almost impossible, or they cost 2-3x more than usually.

Post by antman » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 2:08 AM UTC

schainks wrote: post #323

ilwu_member wrote: post #275

I am a member of ILWU 13. A couple thoughts after reading the comments: The zoning change is for TEU storage outside the port. The port itself was not subject to that rule. The Port of Los Angeles is a landlord and is not directly involved in operations. Private companies, such as APM, EverPort, and others, rent piers/berths and are responsible for the actual operations and logistics. Some speculation: recently I’ve…

Is someone paying for ships to do this or are they doing their own calculations and realizing it’s cheaper for them to leave fast?

Post by tjr225 » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 2:13 AM UTC

bobthepanda wrote: post #159

BurningFrog wrote: post #113

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My mental model is that regulations are decided on through a political process, and then no one looks at them until it becomes a political issue again.

zoning is very easy for local busybodies to capture, since normal people don't have time to give a crap (work to do, errands to run, kids to take care of, etc.). and those busybodies with the most time (older, wealthier) want very restrictive zoning. (see also: HOA regulations). the particular issue here is defined by local zoning. Japan managed to arrest housing prices by moving zoning definition to national rather…