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Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by zzzeek »

bcrl wrote: post #136
zzzeek wrote: post #109

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how about a landfill. ever been to one? they smell quite awful. nothing illegal about them, and they would pretty much ruin a junior high school right next door.

And they're a horrible mistake of history that was a bad idea. The planet is a closed loop system with limited resources. Our use of those limited resources should be closed loop as well.

unfortunately there is no means for that to happen right away. but of course if there weren't any landfills, we would no longer need them to be mentioned in zoning regulations.

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Post by mastax »

hedora wrote: post #307
mastax wrote: post #27

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No. Shipping container prices have risen threefold. The transshipment companies who have to deal with the containers piling up don't own the containers, and can't sell them to you.

They should switch to a model where the slot the empty container occupies is sold at auction. I’d wager the difference between the current price of the slot and the value of the container is less than I’d be willing to pay for the container. Alternatively, institute two simple rule: “No ship may leave the port with fewer containers than it entered with.” or even “no non-full ship may leave the port”. If that leads to…

Containers increase the potential wind load on the ship, which needs to be balanced by additional weight. Ships do have ballast tanks, but you can't just load a ship up with empty containers and send it off. If you want a full load of containers, you need to put something in the containers.

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Post by schainks »

ilwu_member wrote: post #275

I am a member of ILWU 13. A couple thoughts after reading the comments: The zoning change is for TEU storage outside the port. The port itself was not subject to that rule. The Port of Los Angeles is a landlord and is not directly involved in operations. Private companies, such as APM, EverPort, and others, rent piers/berths and are responsible for the actual operations and logistics. Some speculation: recently I’ve…

Is someone paying for ships to do this or are they doing their own calculations and realizing it’s cheaper for them to leave fast?

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Post by 908087 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #299
baybal2 wrote: post #222

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Yes, it's cheaper to dump the container, and buy new one in China. Sounds absurd, but that's how it is.

Hmm. If anybody is sitting on an idea that needs used shipping containers, now might be the time to pick some up.

Might be a good time to build a shipping container home.

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Post by andbberger »

8note wrote: post #152
spenczar5 wrote: post #41

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Why not? It sounds like you think this is obvious, but it isn’t to me. I live in an area with occasional grandfathered-in exceptions to zoning rules. There’s a cafe run out of a house, and a butcher shop run on a residential street corner between houses. And its absolutely lovely! I would have no problem with people making things (“a factory”) next to a school.

Industrial processes have a large surface area of different risks and hazards, and physical distance from where people live is a good way to mitigate all of them. Eg. Explosions, toxic chemical spills, electrical noise, air pollution etc. They also need heavy transport, which wears out road infrastructure much more quickly than light vehicles. Keeping residential streets largely clear of heavy traffic means you can f…

Zoning is a terrible terrible way to solve the heavy goods transport problem the states have. Fines proportional to vehicle wear would be a better way to do it, incentivizing use of industrial rail spurs. Switzerland is the place to look for inspiration on this.

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Post by presidentender »

pchristensen wrote: post #163
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #54

I thought that Flexport CEO's tweet stream was really great - had a ton of insightful, first hand information and made the problem very clear. Especially import was the feedback loops showing how the system was essentially deadlocked, in the classical sense of the term.

I work at Flexport, Ryan is the real deal.

At my last employer, we lost a ton of engineering candidates to Flexport - it was frustrating because we'd try to articulate the scope of the opportunity, but some combination of what Flexport is doing and the recruiting process meant you guys would win every time.

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Post by babypuncher »

aerosmile wrote: post #157
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #54

I thought that Flexport CEO's tweet stream was really great - had a ton of insightful, first hand information and made the problem very clear. Especially import was the feedback loops showing how the system was essentially deadlocked, in the classical sense of the term.

The guy is a bad ass. If he wanted to run for President, he would win. I am really not exaggerating - I had a chance to meet him a few years back, and at that time he was the most impressive person I had talked to in person for an extended amount of time (not based on credentials or achievement, but simply based on clarity of thought and new ways of thinking). I also know that PG rates him incredibly highly. To give…

Please no more CEOs running for president. The government is not a business.

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Post by jes »

orangesite wrote: post #146
asplake wrote: post #83

And in the middle of all that, Theory of Constraints in a tweet: “When you're designing an operation you must choose your bottleneck. If the bottleneck appears somewhere that you didn't choose it, you aren't running an operation. It's running you.” https://twitter.com/typesfast/status/1451543795045183490?s=2...

Eli would have loved that thread…

Eli was a great man and mentor. I miss him almost every day.

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Post by Factorium »

csee wrote: post #2

If true, it's extremely depressing that it required a viral post on social media.

I think 'we' (as in high-intelligence individual technical people) need to be more vocal on social media. Look at the effect that small vocal minorities have on politicians and the media...

The problem is that technical people are usually too busy working or raising a family to frequent those channels. Unemployed or childless activists however have plenty of time for their causes. The 'vocal minority'.

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Post by gpspake »

Animats wrote: post #85

Truckers are leaving containers all over Los Angeles.[1] Allowing stacking over 2 high is only useful if you have the equipment to stack over 2 high. A place that just stacks empty containers 2 high probably only has large forklifts. The special equipment for high stacking is far more expensive, and only bought if you need it.[2] A more useful proposal is a "peel pile".[3] This is a system which assigns outgoing truc…

Sidenote... I think this might be the first time I've personally heard "There's an app for that" to essentially indicate "this is a solved problem" - even if in this case it does kind of mean "software exists to solve this problem" in a literal sense. We're only a decade or so out from when "there's an app for that" represented this cool new novel idea that you could install an app on your fancy new smartphone to do something useful. Now it's trivial and commonplace but I could see this slogan sticking around in our vernacular outside of its original context kinda like the save icon. Neat.
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