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YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by fabianhjr »

actually_a_dog wrote: post #343
fabianhjr wrote: post #256

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> given that it is built on network effects. Network effects can happen in a federated or decentralized way: - Email is useful regardless of the software, OS, server or owner of the address you are sending emails to. - The fediverse benefits from network effects and interoperability between instances with both different software and different communities. I would even go further and argue that centralized "network ef…

Look at the effects of email and "the fediverse" versus these giant social media platforms. Which is greater?

Well, a lot of organizations use email for internal and external operations processes and I would be very skeptical about sending contracts or legal documents via facebook messenger.

Through the magic of interoperability entities can set up their own servers or contract to external providers their email services.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by fastball »

pkulak wrote: post #198
throwawayboise wrote: post #173

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Who's lying? Satire and humor are not lies.

Why are you so convinced it's satire? Regardless, YT doesn't want that anti-vax shit on their platform, so they removed it. There's absolutely no controversy here.

I'm very pro-vax. Watched the video. Where's the lie?

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Post by md8z »

chroem- wrote: post #277
franga2000 wrote: post #259

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The quote is calling the statement "the vaccine will stop the spread of covid" a lie. That statement can be a lie only if the vaccine can not stop the spread. An overly optimistic prediction wouldn't be a lie, so the quote must be calling the vaccine ineffective at best. Regardless of whether the pandemic is over or not, the statement isn't a lie and therefore the quote is incorrect. The vaccine significantly slows t…

If this is the standard that we go by, are other lyricists literally commanding me to rob banks and abuse women?

Are you saying that this artist is just playing a character? Maybe in reality they really are a Biden supporter? I guess that wouldn't be surprising.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by heavyset_go »

prepend wrote: post #433
heavyset_go wrote: post #420

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Brand owners don't want their brands next to conspiracy theories in the same way they don't want their brands next to pornography.

Most of YouTube is screeching, inane people. I’m not sure why brands would care whether their ads play over antivax conspiracies vs guys eating hair cake and throwing up on each other. I’m not sure how conspiracy theories are more harmful than just tons of other things.

Tons of inane content ends up getting demonitized on YouTube because it isn't advertiser friendly.

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Post by crazy_horse »

bko wrote: post #441
WalterBright wrote: post #425

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Since the government is leaning on them to do it, this is clearly a Constitutional right to free speech issue.

To be clear, I don't know about this case in particular, but the current administration has admitted to be in direct contact with social media platforms to tag "problematic" posts. And they may not even need to because the implicit threat is there. I used to be part of the "its a private platform" group, but I asked myself the question, what would actual government censorship look like. And I couldn't think of an ans…

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Post by matheusmoreira »

bloopernova wrote: post #269
matheusmoreira wrote: post #171

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It's a song, not a scientific journal article.

People spread misinformation through memes or image macros. Why should songs be considered differently? There's a segment of the US population that believes and spreads the harmful misinformation in memes and YouTube videos. That's all well and good when talking about aliens building pyramids or whatever. But currently we have this same segment of the population refusing to get vaccinated, mask up, wash their hands,…

> we have this same segment of the population refusing to get vaccinated

As is their right. People should be able to make informed decisions about whether they get an injection. Especially right now in this pandemic. We're still studying the vaccines and their effects on people. Nobody knows for sure their risk/benefit profiles yet, there hasn't been enough time to draw definitive conclusions. It's entirely possible that these vaccines have risks we don't know about, or are only worth using on certain populations such as the elderly.

People who decide to take vaccines need to do so informed of these facts. Misleading the public about this will only strengthen conspiracy theories and lead to even worse outcomes.

> mask up, wash their hands, etc etc.

Yeah, I agree that's stupid. There's no risk to washing hands or wearing masks. Nothing wrong with refusing to associate with people who won't even practice basic hygiene.

> Those actions are harmful to society as a whole and should be treated like the attacks they are.

They may be harmful but that doesn't mean people should be oppressed because of it.

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Post by JPKab »

workOrNah wrote: post #411
kadoban wrote: post #91

Article goes out of its way to avoid saying what's actually in the song or video.

there is a Twitter video linked. it's truly nonsense and in glad it was banned tbh. he says the pandemic was planned and COVID vaccine didn't work amongst other misinformation

It is utterly nonsensical and foolish but I don't like the fact that it was banned.

When US media reports on activities like this in countries like China and Russia they call it censorship. When they report on the same activities in the US they call it "protecting the public from misinformation".

It's a very very slippery slope to ban things. Who gets to choose what gets banned? Who gets to say what is misinformation or not?

It blows my mind how shortsighted most of my left of center friends are on this topic. They seem to have this delusion that these levers of power are only ever going to be controlled by the people they agree with. In the early 2000s a lot of people I argued with were totally supportive of the Patriot act. They were generally conservatives and were just completely confident it would never be used against US citizens. Now those same people are witnessing calls from people on the left who wants opposed to Patriot act to use it against US citizens with right-wing politics.

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Post by henrikschroder »

jollybean wrote: post #359
_fat_santa wrote: post #221

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> I have 0 problem whatsoever with large, public information clearing houses suppressing anything that is counter factual during the emergency. That's precisely the problem though. The rule at Youtube is any content that goes against CDC/WHO guidelines is considered "misinformation". So to your point: > If they were taking down information about a doctor challenging Health Authorities in a very Scientific manner, tha…

The WHO/CDC positions are consistent with the prevailing science. If someone went on YouTube to articulate the current scientific consensus of Ivermectin, which is that "There is no evidence to support it as a therapy for COVID, but that there are currently studies in progress which could yield important information, and in the meantime, people should definitely not be taking it as it can be dangerous unless administ…

> The WHO/CDC positions are consistent with the prevailing science.

CDC: Masks should be worn by children aged 2 and up: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-...

WHO: In general, children aged 5 years and under should not be required to wear masks: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-children-and-ma...

ECDC: In primary schools, the use of face masks is recommended for teachers and other adults when physical distancing cannot be guaranteed, but it is not recommended for students: https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/questions-answers/que...

Doesn't seem very consistent to me.

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