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Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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It is embarrassing for the country that a CEO from a company had to discover and report this rather than someone from the govt doing their job. When I see people write "late stage capitalism", I actually wonder if we aren't in "late stage US govt". They had it too easy for too long and have forgotten how to do their jobs.

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Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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That's neat, but isn't this whole thing about stacking restrictions on empty containers? My understanding of what the Flexport CEO said in their twitter thread was that the best example of the problem is the haulage company that's keeping its driver count * 3 empty containers around on-chassis (which I think means on wheels), just sitting in their parking lot, because they have nowhere to put their empties, because t…

If they are getting paid per delivery, it seems they could find a quarry or an unused airstrip to dump empties on for a small price. When Tesla needs space urgently, they put up a tent. When the military needs to start a war they manage somehow to unload their tanks. Come on, USA, we still know how to do stuff...

All places I have done real estate development require permits for putting containers on your land, and it is not a quick process to get one. At the least, you usually have to justify why you need the container space and for how long.

And I cannot imagine a local zoning board wanting to go out on a limb to do something novel like approving containers just because a port is backed up.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Why is it temporary? What are the negative effects of suspending the limitations?

I'm not an expert in this field but I know from experience that when converting buildings into logistics warehouses, the limiting variable most often is the carrying capacity of the floor.

I assume this is be the biggest risk factor that relates to lifting these limitations. The ground might not have the carrying capacity required for the loads that stacked containers can create.

Also, I'm sure nobody wants their view blocked by container stacks 5 high.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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post #164

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Unless it's a black neighborhood, in which case it's cheap enough to bring in big polluters? A default assumption that industrial processes are safe unless specifically regulated to say they're dangerous sounds like a shell game. The industry will chge between dangerous pollutants fast enough to be one step ahead of regulators, or pay regulators off to allow their pollutants. It's right to assume all industrial work…

i work in a light industrial area...there is a place next door that burns the crap off of commercial restaurant pans and recoats them with teflon. their smokestack blew over last year, and now i get headaches all the time since they haven't bothered to rebuild it. even in san francisco, purported leftie paradise - there really isn't anything i can do about it. assume that _every_ shop is cutting corners

So, have you sued them yet? (Isn't that the American Way?)

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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The guy is a bad ass. If he wanted to run for President, he would win. I am really not exaggerating - I had a chance to meet him a few years back, and at that time he was the most impressive person I had talked to in person for an extended amount of time (not based on credentials or achievement, but simply based on clarity of thought and new ways of thinking). I also know that PG rates him incredibly highly. To give…

>The guy is a bad ass. If he wanted to run for President, he would win. It's interesting to note that we had a president like this, and that was Herbert Hoover. Hoover's claim to fame before being elected president was saving Belgium from starvation during WWI[1], the dude deeply understood logistics and had lots of connections so was able to negotiate with all the parties to get humanitarian relief and set up his ow…

Hoover didn’t just fumble it, he was absolutely committed to passivity. If only he had shown the same determination that he had for postwar relief.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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I think you might be missing the point, which is that the entire scenario should not be happening. If people are getting priced out of their houses, or people are building high-rises that inconvenience people, that needs to be solved, not ignored "because GDP". Making people's lives worse or uprooting them in service of general economic gain isn't a good strategy. I mean, we certainly have used that rationale in the…

I think you are missing the point. When you say "priced out of their home" what you actually mean is that they have become so fabulously wealthy that they can no longer "afford" a 1% tax on that massive wealth. And even that is just a made up fabricated story, because nearly everywhere has abatement programs to delay taxes or decrease taxes for those who can't afford to pay their property taxes. Further, they unjustl…

I'm talking about poor people who can no longer afford to live in their home or apartment due to gentrification. I don't know who you're talking about.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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post #123

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That's neat, but isn't this whole thing about stacking restrictions on empty containers? My understanding of what the Flexport CEO said in their twitter thread was that the best example of the problem is the haulage company that's keeping its driver count * 3 empty containers around on-chassis (which I think means on wheels), just sitting in their parking lot, because they have nowhere to put their empties, because t…

If they are getting paid per delivery, it seems they could find a quarry or an unused airstrip to dump empties on for a small price. When Tesla needs space urgently, they put up a tent. When the military needs to start a war they manage somehow to unload their tanks. Come on, USA, we still know how to do stuff...

They don't own the empties, and it's in their contracts to return them.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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post #149

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How is bufferbloat related to the situation at hand?

The metaphor is that a container is data. “Bufferbloat is the undesirable latency that comes from a router or other network equipment buffering too much data. It is a huge drag on Internet performance created, ironically, by previous attempts to make it work better. The one-sentence summary is ‘Bloated buffers lead to network-crippling latency spikes.’”. Increasing buffer sizes (increasing the number of containers st…

Hm, I think that analogy is too much of a stretch to yield interesting results, to be honest.

I suspect that global supply chain actors follow very different dynamics from naive TCP congestion control implementations (i.e. additive increase, multiplicative decrease), of which Bufferbloat is an emergent phenomenon.

Also, the solution to bufferbloat isn't making the buffers smaller again (there is no generic "correct" buffer size as that depends on the end-to-end RTT, but this can vary across flows at a given choke point). What works is to either make buffers or the endpoints' congestion control algorithms aware of the phenomenon.

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