Dutch forensic lab says it has decoded Tesla's driving data

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 9:56 PM UTC

sorokod wrote: post #81

spfzero wrote: post #73

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Those data items, speed and control position, don't seem equivalent to the data Google, Amazon and Facebook collect. They do seem like legitimate telemetry on a machine operated by a human though. If my pedal position differs from someone else's, that tells you nothing about me other than that was where the pedal was. Those tell Tesla nothing about my personal habits, my political leanings, who my friends are, what o…

Could be used to calculate the price of your car insurance. If the data is distinct enough, it could be used to identify the driver (with some degree of probability). It then could be shared with car insureres / law enforcement agencies / private investigators / random concerned citizens.

Post by amelius » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 10:12 PM UTC

GeorgeTirebiter wrote: post #83

I'm not sure folks understand the comm arch in a Tesla. CAN probably still is the main way data are slogged around between ECUs (this info is five years old). CAN works by broadcasting data values at some periodic rate (1 PPS, 10 PPS, 100 PPS usually) and there is no 'publish/subscribe' except that all data are 'published' and any ECU can listen. What the other ECU does with the data, the originator doesn't know. If…

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 10:16 PM UTC

tenken wrote: post #91

driverdan wrote: post #89

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> How would it feel if there was data about a crash you were involved in that you could not get access to? I'd be angry that data was recorded in the first place. No data should be recorded without the driver's explicit consent.

Ya I dunno. In the USA driving is a privilege, not a Right.

Post by snypher » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 10:22 PM UTC

driverdan wrote: post #89

csours wrote: post #5

Disclaimer: I work for a Tesla competitor. To combat fundamental attribution error, whenever you read an article about Tesla, try replacing the word 'Tesla' with your least favorite car or consumer product company. 'Brand X' has a bunch of data about accidents, and they are motivated to not share all of it with authorities. When they do share data they are motivated to share the data that presents them in the best li…

> How would it feel if there was data about a crash you were involved in that you could not get access to? I'd be angry that data was recorded in the first place. No data should be recorded without the driver's explicit consent.

Post by ajross » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 10:52 PM UTC

throwawayay02 wrote: post #93

ajross wrote: post #51

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> Why would getting a refund preclude you from buying self driving if/when it's released? It wouldn't. It would be an existence proof that this isn't fraud : I want the product, they offer it as a pre-purchase with disclaimers, I bought it, ergo I wasn't harmed. Getting a refund now for a product a fully intend to purchase again in the future is called a "loan". Again, fraud is a crime. It requires damages. I have to…

What if it can be proven they were never serious in their claims about the feasability of self-driving. What if it was all a scam to milk investment money, and yours as well. Would it be fraud then? Point being you were given a disclaimer that was accepted in good faith about receiving a product/service in a reasonable time frame. If that time frame turned out to be 100 years, I'd say you were damaged.