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YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by _fat_santa »

jollybean wrote: post #186
0des wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not much of a modern rap music person, however, by the 90s rap standards this doesn't seem that inflammatory.

It's a pandemic. We're in a Public Health Crisis in which 700 000 people have died. We have medicine to give people which is safe, and almost guarantees they won't die, and material chunk of the population won't believe it, due to information like this. I have 0 problem whatsoever with large, public information clearing houses suppressing anything that is counter factual during the emergency. If they were taking down…

> I have 0 problem whatsoever with large, public information clearing houses suppressing anything that is counter factual during the emergency.

That's precisely the problem though. The rule at Youtube is any content that goes against CDC/WHO guidelines is considered "misinformation". So to your point:

> If they were taking down information about a doctor challenging Health Authorities in a very Scientific manner, that would be something else.

Yeah unless that doctor comes to the exact same conclusion as the CDC, and parrots the exact same info, that doctor is spreading misinformation according to Youtube. I've even seen instances where the CDC would say something, Youtuber would cover it, the next week the CDC reverses that policy and Youtube will hit the Youtuber for "misinformation".

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by robocat »

Lyrics:

[Intro: Joe Biden & Bryson Gray] The various shots the people are getting now cover that They're-, they're-, they're okay You're not gonna-, you're not gonna get COVID if you have these vaccinations Somebody gotta do it Ayy

[Chorus: Bryson Gray] Let's go, Brandon I keep a drum like I'm Nick Cannon, ayy, ayy, ayy, ayy (Brrt, brrt) Let's go, Brandon Pandemic ain't real, they just planned it, ayy, ayy (They just planned it) Let's go, Brandon When you ask questions, they start bannin', ayy, ayy (Facts) Let's go, Brandon, ayy, ayy (Ayy, let's go, Brandon) Let's go, Brandon, ayy, ayy (Ayy, let's go, Brandon) Let's go, Brandon I keep a drum like I'm Nick Cannon, ayy, ayy (Pow, pow) Let's go, Brandon Pandemic ain't real, thеy just planned it, ayy, ayy (They just planned it) Lеt's go, Brandon When you ask questions, they start bannin', ayy, ayy (Facts) Let's go, Brandon, ayy, ayy (Let's go) Let's go, Brandon, ayy, ayy (Ayy, let's go)

[Verse 1: Bryson Gray] Biden said the jab stop the spread, it was lies (I remember) How you woke, but you haven't opened your eyes? (You ain't see) These politicians are demons, just in disguise (Facts) Look at Kyrie Irving and Nicki Minaj (Let's go) Look at Australia, that's what's comin' next if we don't stand up Stop complyin' with them takin' our rights, it's time to man up 'Publicans votin' for red flag laws, that's just what I can't trust If you ask questions 'bout the vax, then they gonna ban us (It's true) Ayy, this is 'bout control, everybody knows Everyone complies weigh the cons and pros I don't need a plane, I just hit the road I do what I want, I can't sell my soul Market 'bout to crash, this is what you chose Ruinin' the country, I think that's the goal You gon' take the mark, I take narrow roads I'm a man of God, I can never fold

Disclaimer: I am not supporting either side here - and the lyrics are not really the issue in this situation imho - it is more meta than that.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by poorjohnmacafee »

undersuit wrote: post #103

I'm out of the loop, but I've been seeing "Let's Go Brandon" posts on a certain subset of the internet that I keep my eye on, so this headline and source doesn't surprise me. I think I'm better off judging this book by it's cover and not telling Youtube how to run their house.

"I'm okay with youtube censoring memes that make fun of the president"

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by glogla »

psyc wrote: post #125
mancerayder wrote: post #84

Apparently the 'misinformation' trope has extended into art. Many of you defending censorship in the last few years (and very much so on HN) on political grounds are going to be changing your minds in the coming years due to stuff like this.

I don’t expect many minds to change. I predict the “‘private’ [misnomer] companies can do what they want [broadly false]” crowd to dig in and rationalize why art is not a special case. My own hypothesis is they personally identify with the corporations, e.g. they are entrepreneurs or might want to become entrepreneurs someday.

What do you think the people who now shout "censorship" would say if few years ago, someone sugested "the tech giants should be regulated with regards to what content they host and follow due process when removing content"?

The tech giants are unregulated. They can do what they want. They want this for some reason, so they do it.

What is the alternative?

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by krapp »

convery wrote: post #194

Wow, that's a lot of flagged comments and banned users simply saying censorship is bad. No narrative being pushed here at all, move along..

> Wow, that's a lot of flagged comments and banned users simply saying censorship is bad. No narrative being pushed here at all, move along..

As of writing this I count one banned user who was clearly banned a long time ago, and the majority of flagged comments not saying that at all. Some flagged comments even take the opposite side.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by krapp »

pessimizer wrote: post #200
gigatexal wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

> YouTube has no obligation to be a champion of free speech. Unless we decide that they do, notwithstanding your declaration. I understand that you like censorship that you agree with, so it would probably be better to ask you about this when they start censoring things that state legislatures interpret as "critical race theory," or for claiming that a government official is being dishonest.

>Unless we decide that they do, notwithstanding your declaration.

No, they're a private company. "We" don't get to decide what their obligations are.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by herbstein »

jlawer wrote: post #189
JohnHaugeland wrote: post #163

Uh. The video that says vaccines don't work on covid, and talks about Joe Biden's death conspiracy? Why are ... why are we quoting Fox News credlously again? Has HN not learned, yet?

No, it says it was a lie that vaccines would stop the spread. I see that for shorthand that the whole response wasn’t managed properly as the “spread” still happened. I don’t think it’s a fair criticism of Biden, but it’s a rap song, which tends to encourage a bit of hyperbole.

You're ignoring this line. Not exactly subtle what is being said.

> Pandemic ain't real, they just planned it

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

glogla wrote: post #224
psyc wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t expect many minds to change. I predict the “‘private’ [misnomer] companies can do what they want [broadly false]” crowd to dig in and rationalize why art is not a special case. My own hypothesis is they personally identify with the corporations, e.g. they are entrepreneurs or might want to become entrepreneurs someday.

What do you think the people who now shout "censorship" would say if few years ago, someone sugested "the tech giants should be regulated with regards to what content they host and follow due process when removing content"? The tech giants are unregulated. They can do what they want. They want this for some reason, so they do it. What is the alternative?

Doing what random HNer's want, apparently. Disrupting industries by straight up breaking the law: totally ok. Choosing what content your website will and will not host: absolutely monstrous. That's tech culture in a nutshell.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by Levitz »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #66
h2odragon wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dispute that disinformation or not is a reason for censoring it. And I dispute the repute of those labeling things "disinformation", specifically.

I think it's childish to act like you're being wronged, and threatening a defiant tantrum "this is Stalinist bullshit, keep saying it, louder" in response to someone else deciding not to host some disinformation. Are you truly the victim today, in this pandemic?

He is being wronged, as are you. Each and every time a company takes freedom away from their users they are being wronged, and when the company is as big as Youtube then we all get wronged. The "defiant tantrum" is simply taking the stance that that is not admisible, how you consider that to be childish behavior I don't even know.

>Are you truly the victim today, in this pandemic?

So give up freedoms, for the common good. Now that's rich.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by unclebucknasty »

ofou wrote: post #140
undersuit wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The art was made without issue. Distribution is not a right.

Just to provide context "NIH admits Fauci lied about funding Wuhan gain-of-function experiments" [1] If there's no one even making art with borderline lyrics, nobody may realize there's something besides the status quo. I'm not saying that I agree with all dissidents opinions, but I strongly disagree with messing with art. It's music for god's sake. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28972283

This "art" is not being produced in a vacuum.

YouTube is fighting a problem with disinformation that has significant implications on a public health crisis.

I don't see why they should respond any differently, simply because someone is singing the disinformation.

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