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YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by zuminator »

kyle_martin1 wrote: post #92
gigatexal wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Silencing people and pretending it’s OK is not going to work. It’s a double edge sword. Because one day they’re going to silence you. The math doesn’t work out long term.

Deplatforming isn't the same as silencing. At no point in history before the 21st century did the average person think that they had a right to have their speech carried to the entire human race. We have a basic right to generally not be prevented from speaking, yes. (A right which does not extend to defamation, fraud, violent threats and other grossly harmful things) But have we ever had a basic human right to oblige any information channel of our choosing to carry our speech? Regardless of the import of our words? No.

And -- if I am similarly deplatformed for harmful speech, that's a good thing. Bad personal consequences are a just outcome of bad personal behavior, made more just if the same applies to everyone, friends and foes alike. It's an intrinsic aspect of the social contract.

As always, I invite people to look at Usenet as an example of what happens when a platform carries everything. People stopped going there because after the advent of bots, it was completely overrun with V1AGR4 ads. Try getting your speech heard when there's 99.999% noise to signal. It's silencing of a different sort.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

iab wrote: post #181
ls15 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> where do you draw the line? When you have lobbyists working for you.

That’s a pretty good line IMO

Huh, yeah, as far as standards for increased regulation go that's a pretty good one.

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Post by [deleted] »

fabianhjr wrote: post #203
pmurt7 wrote: post #136

Something is wrong when the king needs to censor the jester.

I don't understand the allegories to feudalism when jesters who crossed a line weren't censored but executed. (I would guess specially if they expressed or supported any sort of anti-monarchy or anti-their-monarchs viewpoints)

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Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by henrikschroder »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #175
jimmar wrote: post #15

Try to spot medical disinformation: https://crownlyric.com/2021/10/19/loza-alexander-lets-go-bra...

You really need this help, champ? > Biden said the jab stop the spread, it was lies (I remember) That's medical disinformation.

No, you're wrong. Vaccinations slow the spread, they don't stop them.

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Post by aeturnum »

throwawayboise wrote: post #149
kadoban wrote: post #91

Article goes out of its way to avoid saying what's actually in the song or video.

Does it really matter? Clearly it would be in the realm of satire or political humor, things liberals have historically been very vocal about protecting.

I mean, obviously it could matter.

The difference between lying and joking is always in context. If I dress as a police officer for Halloween it's fine, if I lead you to believe I actually am a police officer it is a crime. There's also a middle ground where someone could mistake my costume for impersonation.

I don't know what aspect of this video violated the terms of service, but I think political videos on all sides regularly make statements that aren't supported by 'mainstream' fact checking sources and therefore might fall outside the policies of services like Youtube.

If you want to argue that all speech with 'political intent' should be protected I am open to that conversation! But that is not the standard held by most services, including Youtube, which Bryson Gray agreed to when he uploaded his song.

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Post by Quekid5 »

ipaddr wrote: post #154
kadoban wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a speciality of Fox News. It promotes the outrage well when you leave out the actually objectionable part. Others do it as well of course.

Like news shows local or national. Dislike the dropping of race when describing suspects at large but identifying gender.

Local news in the US is largely owned by Sinclair and/or ClearChannel. (Maybe the latter is only billboards and such. It's hard to keep up with the obfuscation.)

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Post by chroem- »

jfrunyon wrote: post #183
kadoban wrote: post #91

Article goes out of its way to avoid saying what's actually in the song or video.

"Biden said the jab stopped the spread, it was lies. How you WOKE but you haven’t opened your eyes?"

Are you implying that the lyric is wrong and the pandemic is over?

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Post by MiguelX413 »

ResearchCode wrote: post #193
undersuit wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The art was made without issue. Distribution is not a right.

If you have a monopoly and your spy platform is essentially infrastructure then yes, of course it is.

Thank god there's 20 alternatives to YouTube then. Daily reminder to use Peertube and that being able to reach people, centralization, and ad monetization are incompatible with freedom. Use Peertube, you can't have freedom and reach+monetization.
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