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Re: People who jump to conclusions show other kinds of thinking errors

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Post by qorrect » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 6:02 PM UTC

flipflip wrote: post #79

flipflip wrote: post #77

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> we need to control what people can read Why do we need that? I find this type of control suffocating and it is just a patch for deeper seated problems, mistrust of authority for example.

I think the people falling for conspiracy theories are thoroughly demoralized. They are so far in the rabbit hole that they cannot even acknowledge reality any longer. That won't be fixed by stopping people to read things. I think it will only add to the underlying mistrust and make it worse. You need to find out why that happened and fix that.

"Reality" is so huge and so opaque, it often feels like there aren't any answers only more questions. We're hairless apes on a rock hurtling through endless space, reality is terrifying.

I imagine a lot of these people just want/need something to cling to , because even the conspiracy theory sometimes seems more real then reality.

Re: People who jump to conclusions show other kinds of thinking errors

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Post by djmips » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 6:51 PM UTC

matheusmoreira wrote: post #129

_y5hn wrote: post #127

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Because most of it is absence of critical thinking and facts. There are many real conspiracies, but they become real when backed by facts for the allegations.

Yeah. I'm not saying we shouldn't exercise some healthy skepticism when dealing with new ideas. However, there seems to be such a widespread stereotype plaguing these people saying they shouldn't even be given the time of day. They even create conspiracionist characters in movies. Dude is always treated as some funny nutjob even when they're right. The US is a country with documented examples of doctors injecting mic…

Yeah, I agree with you with the fact that there have been conspiracies. They do exist. And I agree with you on the 'obvious' looney tunes ones but what I don't agree with you on is your emotional fear of vaccines. There is not conspiracy there.

Re: People who jump to conclusions show other kinds of thinking errors

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Post by djmips » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 7:01 PM UTC

kbelder wrote: post #116

anovikov wrote: post #26

Haha i am a person who jumps to conclusions, and i actually bought my most recent car after 1.5 visits to dealerships (i tried BMW but the dealer was rude to me so i left before i actually found out anything, and went straight to Volvo and i am super happy with my new S60). So i think i am qualified for an opinion :D One thing that hits me is conspiracy theories. Although i am not buying into any of the currently cir…

Abiogenic origin of oil in the Earth's crust. There's no strong scientific evidence for it, so I can't bring myself to believe it; but I can't bring myself to dismiss it, either. It somehow strikes a cord in me as a reasonable thing. I have to keep telling myself "It's probably not true," but if it ever turns out to be proven, I'd be shouting "I KNEW IT!"

It's related to the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect where you read something you are well studied in and you find it riddled with errors then you read something else you know nothing about, like say the origin of oil and you are more open to terrible mistakes. But then again I do think about how past generations had their own established theories, like 'the ether', or a geocentric universe only to have those be laughed at by our current understanding. But all that is more of romantic notion that I might be on to something that science has totally missed a romantic version of the Gell Man amnesia effect. Basically we can't know everything and have to trust something.

Re: People who jump to conclusions show other kinds of thinking errors

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Post by matheusmoreira » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 7:44 PM UTC

djmips wrote: post #142

matheusmoreira wrote: post #129

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Yeah. I'm not saying we shouldn't exercise some healthy skepticism when dealing with new ideas. However, there seems to be such a widespread stereotype plaguing these people saying they shouldn't even be given the time of day. They even create conspiracionist characters in movies. Dude is always treated as some funny nutjob even when they're right. The US is a country with documented examples of doctors injecting mic…

Yeah, I agree with you with the fact that there have been conspiracies. They do exist. And I agree with you on the 'obvious' looney tunes ones but what I don't agree with you on is your emotional fear of vaccines. There is not conspiracy there.

I'm not afraid of vaccines. I took two shots of coronavac. I'm not being "emotional" either. Pointing out the fact that these things are still being studied is information. It's possible that these things have risks we don't know about. It's possible that some vaccines only have favorable risk/benefit in certain populations such as the elderly. All doctors I know are reporting cases correlated with COVID-19 vaccination.

People should be able to make informed decisions with regards to these vaccines, not get manipulated into taking them because governments are desperate to contain the situation.

Re: People who jump to conclusions show other kinds of thinking errors

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Post by _y5hn » Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 8:14 PM UTC

matheusmoreira wrote: post #144

djmips wrote: post #142

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Yeah, I agree with you with the fact that there have been conspiracies. They do exist. And I agree with you on the 'obvious' looney tunes ones but what I don't agree with you on is your emotional fear of vaccines. There is not conspiracy there.

I'm not afraid of vaccines. I took two shots of coronavac. I'm not being "emotional" either. Pointing out the fact that these things are still being studied is information. It's possible that these things have risks we don't know about. It's possible that some vaccines only have favorable risk/benefit in certain populations such as the elderly. All doctors I know are reporting cases correlated with COVID-19 vaccinati…

You can say that about anything. It's better to point out real concerns. There always are, than unknown unknowns that doesn't really tell anybody anything real.

The vaccines have side effects, though are regarded as a very safe method. It's very targeted, as broad corona vaccines are not deemed to be good. Medical experts know this much better.