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Dutch forensic lab says it has decoded Tesla's driving data

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Re: Dutch forensic lab says it has decoded Tesla's driving data

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Post by toomuchtodo »

Retric wrote: post #46
mysterydip wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet. As soon as data is stored/archived, it can be used later for any purpose. Even if the original company has no desire to do so, acquisitions/mergers/sales/trusted-third-parties could.

The world is full of trade offs. Stuff that might happen in the future is less important than stuff that’s definitely happening today.

Time value of progress if you will.

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Post by ctvo »

beezischillin wrote: post #62

It looks to me like Tesla's an AI company masquerading as a car maker with the real goal to take in as much data as necessary for their various AI projects to succeed.

Or an explanation that doesn't require such giant leaps: they want to capture as much data as possible in case they ever need it and know there's nothing stopping them, so why not.

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Post by tsimionescu »

slt2021 wrote: post #30
voakbasda wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will continue to repair my ‘70s and ‘80s era vehicles, because newer models that incorporate electronics are all total garbage. Reason: embedded engineer for 30 years who has worked on automotive software.

old vehicles are very inefficient in terms of safety, fuel consumption, and exhaust gases, for this reason alone one should prefer electric or modern era ICE

The emissions cost of building a new car and shipping it halfway across the world will significantly affect this calculation. You can drive a less efficient car for many years on the carbon cost of building a new one, as long as you're not driving some huge pick up or other obscene gas guzzler.

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Post by mrshadowgoose »

ctvo wrote: post #63
beezischillin wrote: post #62

It looks to me like Tesla's an AI company masquerading as a car maker with the real goal to take in as much data as necessary for their various AI projects to succeed.

Or an explanation that doesn't require such giant leaps: they want to capture as much data as possible in case they ever need it and know there's nothing stopping them, so why not.

I'm not really sure where the giant leaps are.

Fact 1: Tesla is attempting to develop a self-driving system that is based on machine learning.

Fact 2: Training machine learning systems requires training data. Having large amounts of real training data is highly desirable.

So a single step?

I'm sure that Tesla also benefits from being able to defend against false claims that would tarnish their image[1], but please don't be disingenuous about their machine learning goals.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/01/08/tes...

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Post by mehrdada »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #12

> The vehicles also record speed, accelerator pedal position, steering wheel angle and brake usage, and depending on how the vehicle is used, that data can be stored for over a year. Tesla really seems to have an extreme amount of personal data capture combined with always-on remote access. It’s fascinating to watch people swear off Amazon Echo and delete their Facebook over privacy concerns but then proudly drive ar…

While Tesla knows more info about how you use or operate the car, the big piece that matters to your privacy is arguable the vehicle location and that is not at all unique to Tesla. Many (most?) vehicles produced in the last decade have a GSM modem that pretty much continuously leaks your data at least to the cellular networks, and likely the vehicle manufacturer/operator. I used to physically remove the modem from my cars were possible.

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Post by beezischillin »

mrshadowgoose wrote: post #66
ctvo wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or an explanation that doesn't require such giant leaps: they want to capture as much data as possible in case they ever need it and know there's nothing stopping them, so why not.

I'm not really sure where the giant leaps are. Fact 1: Tesla is attempting to develop a self-driving system that is based on machine learning. Fact 2: Training machine learning systems requires training data. Having large amounts of real training data is highly desirable. So a single step? I'm sure that Tesla also benefits from being able to defend against false claims that would tarnish their image[1], but please do…

I’m not going to deny that their cars are standout and that they sell well, if you wanted to collect a lot of data you need a good and hip product to piggyback onto. But I don’t necessarily think the car is the end goal. If they manage to crack autonomous driving fully first thanks to collecting all that data it will be such a product that it makes the car irrelevant and it will genuinely change the course of history. Of course that’s just my gut feeling about it. It’s not all that unlikely if you look at the extent of what Silicon Valley is willing to go to just to show you ads, from creating the world’s most popular smart phone OS to a giant video sharing site to voice assistants to pioneering vr to creating the world’s most popular web browser and I could go on :)
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