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Re: People who “drink to cope” can make their symptoms worse: study

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Post by maccard » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 5:10 PM UTC

beardedman wrote: post #19

_8j50 wrote: post #10

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My only beef with drinking is it makes you so fat so fast! I wish I knew it was worse than eating bars of butter and buckets of cooking oil. It doesn't solve problems but stops the pain. Frees you temporarily from thinking and deciding things under the influence of pain. I don't get modern medicine. Grief, loss, loneliness (long term), stress and more mental/emotional ailments are found to be detrimental to human hea…

> makes you so fat so fast I would consider myself a high functioning heavy drinker (but not an alcoholic). I'm also physically fit without weight issues, so I think this is probably more a personal statement.

A pint of Heineken (very popular lager in the UK) is 225 calories. For a small person, 6 pints might be the equivalent of their daily food intake. Anecdotally speaking, drinking doesn' fill me, and I end up either snacking on nuts (which are also super high calorie), eating chips, or just eating a meal anyway.

Of course you can drink heavily and not have weight problems, in the same way you can eat cake and frozen pizza exclusively and not have weight problems, but you would be lying to say they don't make you fat reeeeeal quick.

Re: People who “drink to cope” can make their symptoms worse: study

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Post by nitrogen » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 5:17 PM UTC

Darmody wrote: post #39

whilestanding wrote: post #8

I've been able to quit all the substances I used to cope; cigarettes, marijuana, alcohol, after a rather depressing realization that in fact none of them made me feel better in the long run. Short term gains at the cost of long term financial physical and mental health. The model I use to think of it is that drugs steal life energy from your future and give it to you in the present. That's the devil's deal you're giv…

The model I use to think of it is that drugs steal life energy from your future and give it to you in the present. I've never seen it this way but it makes a lot of sense. It's just the opposite of making sacrifices today for a better tomorrow (like studying, practising sports, etc).

Sometimes borrowing from the future is desirable, if done carefully. In my case, with naturally delayed sleep cycles even without artificial lighting, caffeine lets me take some of that night-time energy and shift it to the day. It's a wasteful conversion, but necessary in the modern world.

Re: People who “drink to cope” can make their symptoms worse: study

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 5:17 PM UTC

asdffdsa wrote: post #13

When I used to drink regularly (6x a week or so, light on the weekdays but binge drinking on the weekends), I'd have anxiety on the weekday nights. My habit would be to quell it with a drink because alcohol "reduces anxiety". However, after reading up on how one of the symptoms of alcohol withdrawal is increased anxiety, and hypothesizing that the weekday drinks actually made my anxiety worse overall I stopped drinki…

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Re: People who “drink to cope” can make their symptoms worse: study

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Post by austincheney » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 5:17 PM UTC

oblak wrote: post #24

_8j50 wrote: post #10

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My only beef with drinking is it makes you so fat so fast! I wish I knew it was worse than eating bars of butter and buckets of cooking oil. It doesn't solve problems but stops the pain. Frees you temporarily from thinking and deciding things under the influence of pain. I don't get modern medicine. Grief, loss, loneliness (long term), stress and more mental/emotional ailments are found to be detrimental to human hea…

How does alcohol make you fat? I don't think I've met a fat alcoholic. Must be something else

Alcohol temporarily halts sugar metabolism as the body views it as a digestible poison and grants alcohol digestive priority. Sugars not metabolized by the liver must either be pissed out or stored as fat, but passing excess sugars to the kidneys takes time all the while the priority for the kidneys is passing alcohol not metabolized by the liver using as much stored water as it takes.

Re: People who “drink to cope” can make their symptoms worse: study

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Post by Darmody » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

If you ever need the urge to drink to cope with your problems, try doing something physical instead.

It doesn't have to be any sport. Things like cleaning your house works as well. Do something repetitive, something that your autopilot is able handle easily. It will eventually clear your mind.

Not only you won't have to deal the with bad effects of drinking but you'll get something good out of it.

Re: People who “drink to cope” can make their symptoms worse: study

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Post by beardedman » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 5:31 PM UTC

maccard wrote: post #41

beardedman wrote: post #19

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> makes you so fat so fast I would consider myself a high functioning heavy drinker (but not an alcoholic). I'm also physically fit without weight issues, so I think this is probably more a personal statement.

A pint of Heineken (very popular lager in the UK) is 225 calories. For a small person, 6 pints might be the equivalent of their daily food intake. Anecdotally speaking, drinking doesn' fill me, and I end up either snacking on nuts (which are also super high calorie), eating chips, or just eating a meal anyway. Of course you can drink heavily and not have weight problems, in the same way you can eat cake and frozen pi…

No I wouldn't. My DCI is around 3k due to me running around 9 - 11km every day. Which would mean 4 pints every day would only be a 3rd (not even) - and I eat a balanced / high protein diet. I'm not saying I drink 4 pints every day - but I am saying it's personal.

Re: People who “drink to cope” can make their symptoms worse: study

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Post by oblak » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 5:34 PM UTC

nickthemagicman wrote: post #28

oblak wrote: post #24

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How does alcohol make you fat? I don't think I've met a fat alcoholic. Must be something else

Each beer is like 300 to 400 calories. And then you eat bar food when you're drunk which is not known as the worlds healthiest.

Having shit food afterwards is alcohol's fault? Sounds like fat people blaming anything but themselves.

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Post by beardedman » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 5:42 PM UTC

nickthemagicman wrote: post #28

oblak wrote: post #24

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How does alcohol make you fat? I don't think I've met a fat alcoholic. Must be something else

Each beer is like 300 to 400 calories. And then you eat bar food when you're drunk which is not known as the worlds healthiest.

What on god's-green-earth kind of beers are these? A pint is usually between 200/250 - strong beer (10%) usually hit's in the 350 range - but are you really saying that's normal at a bar?

Re: People who “drink to cope” can make their symptoms worse: study

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Post by oblak » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 5:44 PM UTC

almost_usual wrote: post #25

oblak wrote: post #24

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How does alcohol make you fat? I don't think I've met a fat alcoholic. Must be something else

Beer alcoholics can be fat, hard liquor not gonna happen.

I didn't even consider beer alcoholism. It would still have to be just bad eating habits, though. I know skinny people who drink several litters beer a day and the fatsos whole like this stuff have always been somewhat big. It's not the alcohol, no

Re: People who “drink to cope” can make their symptoms worse: study

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Post by _8j50 » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 6:21 PM UTC

oblak wrote: post #24

_8j50 wrote: post #10

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My only beef with drinking is it makes you so fat so fast! I wish I knew it was worse than eating bars of butter and buckets of cooking oil. It doesn't solve problems but stops the pain. Frees you temporarily from thinking and deciding things under the influence of pain. I don't get modern medicine. Grief, loss, loneliness (long term), stress and more mental/emotional ailments are found to be detrimental to human hea…

How does alcohol make you fat? I don't think I've met a fat alcoholic. Must be something else

The same way pizza and bread make you fat. I tried anything from wine to vodka, if I drink enough to get drunk, unless I compensate with a really good food diet and a ton of workout, I will gain weight. What makes you gain weight is not just the raw calories but relative to food, it is very efficient in delivering most of those calories to your blood.

"Don't drink your calories"