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Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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Because the code itself is much simpler than you would think.

What about the rest; the presentations the executive summaries… all the paperwork that suits babble around… it takes some serious “terrorist organization” opsec to perform like this

They have to do that whether they are being evil or not just to prevent competitive intelligence and other damaging info from leaking. So the systems are there

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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Wasn't that the beginning of the end of FAANG's reputation? Having your company put billions into the bank every year because they "don't know what to do with it" while you're not even a millionaire is disheartening. I mean, if they were still paying us all handsomely like stock brokers then I bet popular opinion would be on their side.

If you work for Google as a SWE for a decade and aren't well over a million in net assets, you're doing something wrong.

a decade...how many ppl work at google for so long?

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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I remember when google was the shining light of “be nice company” that we all dreamed of working for, at odds with the evil that was M$crosoft. And, from reading all the “why I left google” posts and hearing about them leaving China, the old google of 20 or even just 10 years ago was the good or even just a better google. With how google went from “do no evil” to this, with how Facebook has always been profits over e…

> Which employers are the “nice company making nice things and you’ll be able to sleep at night” tech companies nowadays?

Stripe, maybe?

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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The Google from 12 to 16 years ago was found guilty[1] in an antitrust suit of colluding with other industry leaders to keep tech employee compensation artificially low. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L...

Wasn't that the beginning of the end of FAANG's reputation? Having your company put billions into the bank every year because they "don't know what to do with it" while you're not even a millionaire is disheartening. I mean, if they were still paying us all handsomely like stock brokers then I bet popular opinion would be on their side.

This is wrong, many employees rich with stock options and other compensation, plus large salaries

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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I remember when google was the shining light of “be nice company” that we all dreamed of working for, at odds with the evil that was M$crosoft. And, from reading all the “why I left google” posts and hearing about them leaving China, the old google of 20 or even just 10 years ago was the good or even just a better google. With how google went from “do no evil” to this, with how Facebook has always been profits over e…

> Which employers are the “nice company making nice things and you’ll be able to sleep at night” tech companies nowadays? Stripe, maybe?

for now

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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I remember when google was the shining light of “be nice company” that we all dreamed of working for, at odds with the evil that was M$crosoft. And, from reading all the “why I left google” posts and hearing about them leaving China, the old google of 20 or even just 10 years ago was the good or even just a better google. With how google went from “do no evil” to this, with how Facebook has always been profits over e…

Work where you want and don’t feel bad because of HN opinions. HN hates everything eventually, except RSS.

That comment gave me the biggest smile @eclipxe.

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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If you work for Google as a SWE for a decade and aren't well over a million in net assets, you're doing something wrong.

a decade...how many ppl work at google for so long?

A surprising number - sure, google has turnover like everyone else, but in general I am always surprised at how many people have 5+ years of tenure. I work with a number of people where google is the only place they have ever worked, which is downright odd to me.

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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I remember when google was the shining light of “be nice company” that we all dreamed of working for, at odds with the evil that was M$crosoft. And, from reading all the “why I left google” posts and hearing about them leaving China, the old google of 20 or even just 10 years ago was the good or even just a better google. With how google went from “do no evil” to this, with how Facebook has always been profits over e…

Work where you want and don’t feel bad because of HN opinions. HN hates everything eventually, except RSS.

It stands for Hater News. Good info here but the bias is negative.

Oh, and don’t forget Wireguard. Put Wireguard and RSS in the same headline and get the highest upvotes ever.

Of course HN will probably hate Wireguard in a year.

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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Yeah I don’t think people understand the extent to which public relations influences our beliefs. Google was able to maintain a polished image in well known areas while silently behaving poorly in others and we believed it for a long time. I remember about ten years ago meetings Eric Schmidt had with US military generals. That didn’t even register on mass media so most people probably never heard of it. I wonder how…

Not only PR. Compared with what came before and what was competing with it in those days google search was terrific. Finding more of what you wanted faster. Clean interface. Ads off to the side clearly identified. People just felt good about using google product. That's a great place to start any PR. People's affection for polish of Apple Product compared with horrible machines most have been forced to use in pod far…

US intel community assessed that Wikileaks was a thin front/wrapper for Russian intelligence operations intended to harm the US and allies. A kind of "launderer" at best for docs that Russian hackers or agents would steal or forge. Assange was the key guy behind Wikileaks. Therefore, Assange is... neither credible or honorable.

Re: An enormous thread on alleged Google Facebook collusion

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This is pretty damning stuff. Here's the question I have: there are a ton of quotes in here from employees. In what context were these statements made? In depositions? I would guess not. I'd guess they were made in emails, Google docs and presentations that were a result of discovery (or a whistleblower I guess). If so, I really want to find these people and ask them "what were you thinking?" Any big company has requ…

When I started a new job, one thing in orientation was "the 'e' in 'e-mail' stands for 'evidence'."

Isn’t that a huge red flag as an employee for that to be in orientation? It would make me want to put everything in writing in case they did sketchy shit.
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