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Re: Original 1851 reviews of Moby-Dick

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Recently ran across this interesting guide to Moby-Dick: "The 100 Chapters of Moby Dick You Can Skip - And why you won’t want to" https://baos.pub/the-100-chapters-of-moby-dick-you-can-skip-... The point is that while most of the book is incredibly boring, that's a feature and not a bug.

And yet, this book, along with The Count of Monte Cristo, Grapes of Wrath, and quite a number of other tomes are assigned in high schools by teachers/school districts. Those educators think they are providing some kind of service by trying to force feed young people books that cannot really be understood in a meaningful way by the vast majority of people with ~15 years of life. It wasn't until a decade after college…

> HS literature cirriculum having zero relatability to students so they're unable to comprehend why the books are "great"

I've called it "an overdose of Dead Poet's Society" before. Shakespeare plays, Steinbeck, Moby-Dick: they'll all make the majority of the class tune out if they're presented as a treatise on the human condition. Shakespeare is meant to be performed on a stage, not read from a book. Discuss his codification of character archetypes and plot tropes, perhaps even some wordplay choices. At 16 years old, "a treatise on the human condition" is pretentious puffery. Even those teacher's pets who take it seriously are merely LARPing as well-rounded individuals.

Re: Original 1851 reviews of Moby-Dick

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My review: A brilliant book, possibly my favourite of all the books I have read, which is a lot, and certainly one that I have enjoyed re-reading time and again. Tragic that it wasn't more widely appreciated in Melville's lifetime. A must read.

I am skeptical of anyone who has read Moby Dick and not admitted how much of a slog it is.

It's not a slog. On the contrary, it is perhaps the ideal book for reading while sitting on the loo, or whilst having a bath. The chapters are mostly short, and typically cover different aspects of characters, plot, and other stuff, and are easy to read. Once you have read it through once to get an idea of the plot, you can just dip into at random, or re-read favourite bits. I used to keep my paperback copy in the bathroom.

Re: Original 1851 reviews of Moby-Dick

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One of the things that I think is strange about Moby Dick is the shift in language.

SPOILERS:

So most of the book is just a beautiful snapshot of a very odd slice of life in the early 1800s, namely whalers. However, not just any whaler, the book is very clear on this, sperm whalers. Also, not just any sperm whalers, nantucketers. Even though the majority of the crew is international, they are on a nantucket ship, with a nantucket captain, and are thus honorary nantucketers. Ok, so anyway, most of the book is just about learning what their life is like, and it's unusual in the way because Melville literally had to teach us everything about this unusual slice of life, to get the rest. My point though is throughout all of this, which is like 90% of the book, the language and tone is somewhat plain and often times light hearted. There are a few moments where its serious, like when there's the electrical storm and Ahab fixes the compass, or when they're towards the end of their journey and they see another ship of nantucketers who weren't driven to kill the whale, but just to make money and they're just rolling in the dough, throwing everything overboard just to make more room for more sperm oil.

MORE SPOILERS:

Any way, then in the end is really where we see a huge dramatic shift in language. For one thing it becomes *hard*, even as a native speaker the sentence structure, word choice, and ideas being conveyed are just harder. Basically what's happening this whole time is Ahab is trying to kill the whale, is failing to do so, and we're sort of consummating what sort of felt inevitable the whole time but from Ahab's perspective. I think in this sense, Moby DIck is really unique because it's almost two stories: there's all the fun stuff about learning about whaling, and then there's the artful part of it. The change is very dramatic.

Any way, I think it's a great book, but it's very different than say Typee, where the whole book stays in the same tone as the first part of Moby Dick that I described. The last 50 or so pages of Moby Dick, are borderline psychedelic.

Re: Original 1851 reviews of Moby-Dick

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Recently ran across this interesting guide to Moby-Dick: "The 100 Chapters of Moby Dick You Can Skip - And why you won’t want to" https://baos.pub/the-100-chapters-of-moby-dick-you-can-skip-... The point is that while most of the book is incredibly boring, that's a feature and not a bug.

And yet, this book, along with The Count of Monte Cristo, Grapes of Wrath, and quite a number of other tomes are assigned in high schools by teachers/school districts. Those educators think they are providing some kind of service by trying to force feed young people books that cannot really be understood in a meaningful way by the vast majority of people with ~15 years of life. It wasn't until a decade after college…

Of the many possible "classics" to throw at teenagers I feel Moby Dick is far from the worst option. At least it has some humor to it, and on one layer it is just an adventure at sea; its not just pure pathos. And compared to many others its relatively short novel, especially if you skip some of the non-essential whaling chapters.

Re: Original 1851 reviews of Moby-Dick

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Recently ran across this interesting guide to Moby-Dick: "The 100 Chapters of Moby Dick You Can Skip - And why you won’t want to" https://baos.pub/the-100-chapters-of-moby-dick-you-can-skip-... The point is that while most of the book is incredibly boring, that's a feature and not a bug.

And yet, this book, along with The Count of Monte Cristo, Grapes of Wrath, and quite a number of other tomes are assigned in high schools by teachers/school districts. Those educators think they are providing some kind of service by trying to force feed young people books that cannot really be understood in a meaningful way by the vast majority of people with ~15 years of life. It wasn't until a decade after college…

The local schools have gotten a lot more into contemporary novels and I'm all for it. I see occasional grumblings on the FB groups but no one has managed to change the curriculum.

I love classics and every time I read one there's a moment when I think to myself "I'm so glad no one is going to make me write an essay on this." I don't have to try to pull out the major themes, I don't have to discuss about the character's motivations, I don't have to consider the novel in the context of what was going on in the writer's life time. I can just let it wash over me, I can just enjoy it.

It's a miserable and joy-killing way to approach reading. Even as I look back to the books I read in High School I don't think any every became my favorites. The Great Gatsby is a fine book but when I look back on it I remember all the sections where we had to point out 'symbolism'. What a drag.

Re: Original 1851 reviews of Moby-Dick

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Surely you agree that different people have different tastes. I couldn't get through the first chapter of Infinite Jest, but I don't think people who say they love the book are being insincere. There are large numbers of people who would find the tech jobs that many people on this site enjoy to be incredibly tedious and boring.

Because I read it and it was a slog. There are large portions of the book that are unrelated to the story and are painful to get through. But saying that makes you look dumb, whereas asserting how much you love it makes you look like a fabulously cultured and intelligent connoisseur of high literature. Whatever, though.

I think a lot of it comes down to how you read it.

I usually read a book in a couple of sittings. This favors lighter fare, with copious excitement to keep one engaged.

I could never do this with Moby Dick. But with a 10-30 page reading per day, you hear about some interesting thing: perhaps mostly whaling and sailing, perhaps advancing the plot and characters. It's not enough to sustain an excited big read, but it's certainly enough to make you wonder about what you'll read next.

The chapters average 3-4 pages long. I think this is a hint that it's intended to be consumed in morsels.

Re: Original 1851 reviews of Moby-Dick

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Recently ran across this interesting guide to Moby-Dick: "The 100 Chapters of Moby Dick You Can Skip - And why you won’t want to" https://baos.pub/the-100-chapters-of-moby-dick-you-can-skip-... The point is that while most of the book is incredibly boring, that's a feature and not a bug.

And yet, this book, along with The Count of Monte Cristo, Grapes of Wrath, and quite a number of other tomes are assigned in high schools by teachers/school districts. Those educators think they are providing some kind of service by trying to force feed young people books that cannot really be understood in a meaningful way by the vast majority of people with ~15 years of life. It wasn't until a decade after college…

Wherever there's a geek beating on a book. I'll be there :)

Re: Original 1851 reviews of Moby-Dick

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Love Moby Dick. One thing I've wanted to do for a few years is make the trip to New Bedford Whaling Museum for the annual marathon reading. It's also streamed every year. https://www.whalingmuseum.org/program/the-moby-dick-marathon...

There's a whaling museum in Lahaina on Maui, which has lots of good stuff. I happened to visit it one time while a book group was reading Moby Dick and it made a great impression.

https://www.hawaii-guide.com/maui/sights/whalers_village_mus...

Re: Original 1851 reviews of Moby-Dick

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If anyone’s looking for a nice and libre ebook of Moby Dick , I produced one for Standard Ebooks: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/herman-melville/moby-dick I also put together a collection of Melville’s short fiction, which includes “Bartleby”: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/herman-melville/short-fict...

Thank you for that, I'm definitely going to check out both.

Since I checked out your profile to see what kind of person does these beautiful things for free...can you tell me why it is so hard to order online from ikea?

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