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Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by cute_boi » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 1:14 PM UTC

danielvf wrote: post #33

martindbp wrote: post #4

I doubt it. Having children is not first and foremost a consequence of having sex, it's an active choice that you make plans for. When you have to work long hours, have no financial support for childcare, having aging parents to take care of, then there's just no room for having kids. I live in arguably one of the best countries for raising kids, with 18 months parental leave, free preschool, higher education, retire…

Where I live in the US southeast, non-professionals tend to get married at around 20-24 years old, then tend start having kids within a year or two of getting married. Income doesn't really factor at all. At least on the more conservative side, perhaps one reason this works economically is the culture of the wife staying home, and the husband working. Although the overall income is much lower, this makes the dollar c…

Well the conservative side you are saying doesn't work these days because raising kids is not something that used to be in 90's. As a parents I think everybody want to see their children get high quality of life, luxurious things, good school etc. So both parents have to go to work to fulfill these demands. And we are taking about US which provides lot of incentives to parents tbh. And most of the time the costs starts to grow when children starts to go school.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by cute_boi » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

ZetaZero wrote: post #40

leoedin wrote: post #31

I wonder if quite a big part of the problem is that the one child policy normalised single child families for an entire generation. I know for certain that my wife and I both want to have another child because we both grew up with siblings and can see the lifelong benefits. Children are pretty hard work though, and there's been a lot of moments when we've thought "do I really want to go through all this again". Take…

Yes, with the "One-Child" policy in effect for 36 years (1979–2015), an entire generation grew up with no siblings. With this being mandated, families just didn't plan for 2+ children. Maybe they bought a smaller house, or other lifestyle choices. Now you cannot just flip a switch and expect all of these families have multiple children.

I think there is a switch and that is called incentives. We can see these tactics working at least on Japan. If China government starts providing huge incentives, tax breaks I think couple will think about multiple children. The only problem of China is they can't rely on migrants like west because they may still want cheap labors for manufacturing. And Japan has separate culture problems with migrants.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by evgen » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:30 PM UTC

N0tAThr0wAway wrote: post #21

evgen wrote: post #15

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If 'the West' is primarily made up of people who think like you then good riddance. OTOH, the rest of us are adaptable and curious. We like new cultural synthesis; new immigrants are a source of fun new restaurants, new media/arts, and new ideas to explore. People have been sounding the call of '[People who look different] are coming! Our culture is doomed!' for mellennia, and thankfully we learn not to cares what th…

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> The majority of the world is made up of people like like me.

No, it really isn't. You are a rather pathetic troll account trying to amuse us I guess, but I have seen better work from the 4chan crowd. Your limited understanding of history and current politics is not even worth engaging in. Enjoy being wrong and no one really caring.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by lotsofpulp » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:39 PM UTC

martindbp wrote: post #26

lotsofpulp wrote: post #9

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> Having children is not first and foremost a consequence of having sex, it's an active choice that you make plans for. Who is “you”? Is it a woman that has no financial independence in a society where she may have to fend for herself if she does not have unprotected sex without access to birth control? Because, until very recently, that probably describes most women’s circumstances when planning to have kids. I am b…

> I am betting it is not a coincidence that the timeline for women’s financial independence and access to cheap and convenient birth control lines up with declining birth rates. So we're in agreement? Women are not having fewer kids because couples have less sex, it's because of things like financial independence and birth control that allows (and essentially requires) couples to plan for kids. And when you have to a…

Sorry, I misread your comment as referring to throughout history, having kids was a choice and not a side effect (at least for women) from having sex.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by lotsofpulp » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:43 PM UTC

nsonha wrote: post #14

lotsofpulp wrote: post #9

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> Having children is not first and foremost a consequence of having sex, it's an active choice that you make plans for. Who is “you”? Is it a woman that has no financial independence in a society where she may have to fend for herself if she does not have unprotected sex without access to birth control? Because, until very recently, that probably describes most women’s circumstances when planning to have kids. I am b…

way to insert an unrelated woke issue into the conversation > until very recently how about now? Fact of the matter is even in the developed countries where work isn't stressful and people do have sex, birth rate is still low. So simply encouraging people to have sex isn't the solution if you want more kids. I believe that's the point they are making.

I misread the comment I replied to as stating children were a choice throughout history. But my comment does not have anything to do with woke-ness. It is simply meant to show the extremely high cost of children made explicit now that women do not have to eat that cost.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by PhillyG » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 4:56 PM UTC

whitehind wrote: post #34

whitehind wrote: post #2

China’s demographic crisis, according to a researcher, has a very simple explanation: Chinese work too much, and are just too tired to make love.

Chinese government abolished one-child policy and also the following two-child policy. Actually, at the moment they have the opposite problem: the population is aging and the new generations do not even have enough children to guarantee their generational change.

I wonder if the old one child policy had a knock on effect, changing the societal norms and views of having multiple children? A knock on effect that didn't go away after the law was relaxed perhaps.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by N0tAThr0wAway » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 8:26 PM UTC

evgen wrote: post #43

N0tAThr0wAway wrote: post #21

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> The majority of the world is made up of people like like me. No, it really isn't. You are a rather pathetic troll account trying to amuse us I guess, but I have seen better work from the 4chan crowd. Your limited understanding of history and current politics is not even worth engaging in. Enjoy being wrong and no one really caring.

>No, it really isn't.

Yes, it really is. Soyboy leftists like yourself are an exceedingly small population stuck in a bubble. Most of the world is OK with having a home land for their people.

>You are a rather pathetic troll account trying to amuse us I guess

So pathetic that you just can't help but get triggered by the facts.

>but I have seen better work from the 4chan crowd

We all have, but I don't have to be near as crafty to work here. Thanks for the compliment.

>Your limited understanding of history and current politics

Full understanding of history and politics, even if they'rr against the narrative you mean.

>Enjoy being wrong

Projection because deep inside you know I'm right, that's what bugs you.

>no one really caring.

Yet here you are, caring LOLOLOL.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by martindbp » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 4:05 PM UTC

refurb wrote: post #37

danielvf wrote: post #33

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Where I live in the US southeast, non-professionals tend to get married at around 20-24 years old, then tend start having kids within a year or two of getting married. Income doesn't really factor at all. At least on the more conservative side, perhaps one reason this works economically is the culture of the wife staying home, and the husband working. Although the overall income is much lower, this makes the dollar c…

As someone with a kid whose spouse took extra time off work, it’s still a ton of work. I’d argue with a stay at home parent full-time until they are teens it’s still a massive undertaking. One well worth it (in my opinion), but if your life goal is money and career advancement kids don’t help in that regard.

Yep, me and wife have an arrangement currently where I do all childcare outside of preschool (i.e. staying home when sick, drop off and pickup at 4, days the school is closed etc) which turns out to be quite often. I also take more of the household chores, maybe two thirds. In the time that's left I work on my own project. It's still a ton of work, but much more manageable than when we both worked full-time.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by account_c » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 8:20 AM UTC

clejack wrote: post #38

N0tAThr0wAway wrote: post #24

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Your posts have been wild, but the last statement here is the biggest stretch of all. There's a difference between actively eliminating a group of people, and that same group of people choosing not to have kids due to the requirements of "success" in their own culture. Even though I don't agree with you in the slightest, I somewhat sympathize with you simply because I think you truly believe your perception is a refl…

>There's a difference between actively eliminating a group of people, and that same group of people choosing not to have kids due to the requirements of "success" in their own culture.

And there's a difference between not importing the third world into the West, and importing the third world into the West.

>I think you truly believe your perception is a reflection of reality as the saying goes.

Because it is reality. It goes against the narrative but sometimes reality gets in the way of narratives.

>In the modern world, if your job doesn't pay you well enough, the only ways to maintain this success are to not have kids, have less kids or have kids later.

This is not true since in "the modern world" in the West, those who make the least are the most likely to have kids.

>If you removed the immigrant or brown factor, you'd have the same situation as Japan with an aging population and no one to replace it.

Which is perfectly fine for Japan and their progeny. It may even be the optimal result since Japan has an overcrowding issue in their cities. Suggesting that Japan should import third world immigrants because they'll have a population decline is the exact issue at hand here. Japan doesn't need nor want immigrants, if that slows their growth that's fine for them. At least they have a homeland for their people.

>The culture that led you to your current state, is also the culture that will be your undoing.

Not at all. Maybe the world is overpopulated, housing in the West is critically low in supply, the labor market is historically underpaid right now, etc. Maybe a slowing, or slightly reducing the population is fine as long as there's a homeland for Europeans to turn to.

The "undoing" of the West is importing people who do not share a basis in Western culture. It's also to self-hating Whites who want to accelerate the death of the West by importing backwards cultures. THAT is the undoing, not the slow decline. The West is the only area where the natives are currently being replaced with foreigners, and the natives are actively being denied a homeland by leftists. Leftism is killing the West. Not the current state you described.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by martindbp » Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 8:45 AM UTC

GDC7 wrote: post #32

martindbp wrote: post #4

I doubt it. Having children is not first and foremost a consequence of having sex, it's an active choice that you make plans for. When you have to work long hours, have no financial support for childcare, having aging parents to take care of, then there's just no room for having kids. I live in arguably one of the best countries for raising kids, with 18 months parental leave, free preschool, higher education, retire…

> and it's STILL super hard to raise a child It's super hard because you want your child to have a better life than you, and from the get go. Parents nowadays want the trajectory of their child to be transposed upwards from the get go, and then be an up& to the right chart for their whole life. This was never the case in human history, people never really put much thought into reproduction, matter of fact people neve…

I agree on the planning part, but I think the difficulty of raising a child is not only due to parents putting in more effort, although it's certainly a big part. Personally, we try to not put high expectations on our son, we don't have or plan on tons of extracurricular activities etc, but the first few years of their life is super hard anyway because of the constant sleep deprivation, the stress from having to perform at work despite this, and next to no free time for yourself or your relationship to your spouse. I think the reason it's harder now is mainly because both parents are expected to (and need to) work, and there's little support from the "village", because there is no village anymore. Grandparents live far away, kids don't just hang out in droves while one parent keeps an eye out through the kitchen window etc. There are so many factors that make parenting really time and energy consuming.