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Governments turn tables on ransomware gang REvil by pushing it offline

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Re: Governments turn tables on ransomware gang REvil by pushing it offline

#11

I hope this is a sign of things to come. Train robberies and privateering were common because the culprits were rarely caught. I feel ransomware has been so successful because it operated in an environment where you never get caught. The solution is always the same, step up the enforcement.

Stepping up enforcement fails all the time. If you want ransomware to stop being effective, make it illegal to pay the ransom.

Punish the victim not the perpetrator, nice.

Re: Governments turn tables on ransomware gang REvil by pushing it offline

#12

Any real, as in flesh and blood, person(s) arrested? Otherwise this is only a small delay.

I don't agree with this. It's about incentives. If you make it too painful to conduct this type of crime, perpetrators will give up.

Re: Governments turn tables on ransomware gang REvil by pushing it offline

#13

I hope this is a sign of things to come. Train robberies and privateering were common because the culprits were rarely caught. I feel ransomware has been so successful because it operated in an environment where you never get caught. The solution is always the same, step up the enforcement.

Stepping up enforcement fails all the time. If you want ransomware to stop being effective, make it illegal to pay the ransom.

Make insecure software the problem of its producer, so that except for gross negligence by the user, the software vendor is on the hook (reimbursing customers) and will want to prevent ransomware from being a thing in the first place.

Re: Governments turn tables on ransomware gang REvil by pushing it offline

#14

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Seems as if they're willing to fight dirty over the internet, but not to do anything physically.

What did you expect, invading Russia?

Interpol notice - at least that'll restrict their movements

Re: Governments turn tables on ransomware gang REvil by pushing it offline

#15

Any real, as in flesh and blood, person(s) arrested? Otherwise this is only a small delay.

I don't agree with this. It's about incentives. If you make it too painful to conduct this type of crime, perpetrators will give up.

The prospective of spending 30 years in jail is a disincentive.

Re: Governments turn tables on ransomware gang REvil by pushing it offline

#16

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Stepping up enforcement fails all the time. If you want ransomware to stop being effective, make it illegal to pay the ransom.

The main argument against making ransom payments illegal is that it simply drives ransom payments underground. Legislating something, similar to vices like drugs, alcohol or gambling, doesn't make it go away.

I assume they mean make it illegal for corporations to pay the ransom. It's obviously unjust and ineffective to punish private individuals for paying ransoms, but that's not where the money is. OTOH, corporations have budgets and can be prosecuted if X millions dollars disappears out of it.

Re: Governments turn tables on ransomware gang REvil by pushing it offline

#17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems as if they're willing to fight dirty over the internet, but not to do anything physically.

What did you expect, invading Russia?

The US, if they really wanted to, could make it problematic enough for Russia that they might want to engage on this.

Russian doesn't gain anything from having it's citizens attack US hospitals.

Re: Governments turn tables on ransomware gang REvil by pushing it offline

#18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree with this. It's about incentives. If you make it too painful to conduct this type of crime, perpetrators will give up.

The prospective of spending 30 years in jail is a disincentive.

Indeed, but it's not the only one.

Re: Governments turn tables on ransomware gang REvil by pushing it offline

#19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems as if they're willing to fight dirty over the internet, but not to do anything physically.

What did you expect, invading Russia?

Sanctions and a million other things. Its not "let them commit crime against us" or nuclear war. There's middle ground of course.

Re: Governments turn tables on ransomware gang REvil by pushing it offline

#20

I hope this is a sign of things to come. Train robberies and privateering were common because the culprits were rarely caught. I feel ransomware has been so successful because it operated in an environment where you never get caught. The solution is always the same, step up the enforcement.

Stepping up enforcement fails all the time. If you want ransomware to stop being effective, make it illegal to pay the ransom.

That's like saying "make it illegal to get robbed". If I have a robber with a gun to my head asking for my wallet, I would comply. I wouldn't tell them sorry it is illegal to give you my wallet. You should not penalize the victim. Crack down on perps, not victims please.
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