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Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by N0tAThr0wAway »

evgen wrote: post #15
N0tAThr0wAway wrote: post #7

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>What a proactive approach. I wish Western governments emulated it. They have. They've decided that importing the entire third world into the West is the only solution. The West as we've known it for 2000 years won't make it past 2100 due to this demographic shift. There is no turning back, there is no undoing what has been done. Europeans and White people are the only shrinking demographic in their home countries.

If 'the West' is primarily made up of people who think like you then good riddance. OTOH, the rest of us are adaptable and curious. We like new cultural synthesis; new immigrants are a source of fun new restaurants, new media/arts, and new ideas to explore. People have been sounding the call of '[People who look different] are coming! Our culture is doomed!' for mellennia, and thankfully we learn not to cares what th…

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Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by N0tAThr0wAway »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #18
N0tAThr0wAway wrote: post #13

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"The West" roughly means Europe/Western culture/world [0]. Everywhere has always had some level of change always, but there has never been a demographic and cultural decline alongside a wholesale importation of backwards cultures like the one we're seeing in Europe. >My preferred strategy would be to implement policies that keep bringing in desirable future citizens that continue to give out tribe an economic edge. T…

>Not sure why we don't grow our own people organically versus replacing them with immigrants from backwards countries and cultures. Because there's a risk they turn out like you, instead of being a desirable citizen.

>Because there's a risk they turn out like you, instead of being a desirable citizen.

You're exactly right. Citizens that fund the government, created the inventions of the Western world that have revealed the world onto itself, can think for themselves and don't want to fall off the cliff like lemmings are no longer "desirable citizens". We need NPC leftists that will continue to support the fall of their culture, country, and lifestyles!

To you "desirable citizen" is a baizou [0].

[0] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Baizuo

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by rowanG077 »

brnt wrote: post #19
nsonha wrote: post #14

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way to insert an unrelated woke issue into the conversation > until very recently how about now? Fact of the matter is even in the developed countries where work isn't stressful and people do have sex, birth rate is still low. So simply encouraging people to have sex isn't the solution if you want more kids. I believe that's the point they are making.

That had nothing to do with wokeness, it's an obvious bias in the observation. Outside of careerists circles, which is a tiny group, things are quite different. The idea that life is plannable is again an indicator of a particular background and culture, that is representative of only a fraction of humans.

Getting children is 100% plannable. Even if you have no access to birth control you can still choose to not have sex. That has nothing do to with background.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by N0tAThr0wAway »

AIorNot wrote: post #17
N0tAThr0wAway wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What a proactive approach. I wish Western governments emulated it. They have. They've decided that importing the entire third world into the West is the only solution. The West as we've known it for 2000 years won't make it past 2100 due to this demographic shift. There is no turning back, there is no undoing what has been done. Europeans and White people are the only shrinking demographic in their home countries.

Trump supporter? People have been migrating and integrating since the dawn of humanity… civilization still survives fine and in fact thrives and evolves as new cultures develop. It’s your tribal fear mongering that is the primary cause of concern to me. Countries, ethnicities and national boundaries shift with the times, ease of migration and economic trends. The world has 7.9 billion people in it, so the fate of the…

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Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by nsonha »

rowanG077 wrote: post #23
brnt wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That had nothing to do with wokeness, it's an obvious bias in the observation. Outside of careerists circles, which is a tiny group, things are quite different. The idea that life is plannable is again an indicator of a particular background and culture, that is representative of only a fraction of humans.

Getting children is 100% plannable. Even if you have no access to birth control you can still choose to not have sex. That has nothing do to with background.

> you can still choose to not have sex

this I cannot agree with since it doesn't align with reality

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by martindbp »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #9
martindbp wrote: post #4

I doubt it. Having children is not first and foremost a consequence of having sex, it's an active choice that you make plans for. When you have to work long hours, have no financial support for childcare, having aging parents to take care of, then there's just no room for having kids. I live in arguably one of the best countries for raising kids, with 18 months parental leave, free preschool, higher education, retire…

> Having children is not first and foremost a consequence of having sex, it's an active choice that you make plans for. Who is “you”? Is it a woman that has no financial independence in a society where she may have to fend for herself if she does not have unprotected sex without access to birth control? Because, until very recently, that probably describes most women’s circumstances when planning to have kids. I am b…

> I am betting it is not a coincidence that the timeline for women’s financial independence and access to cheap and convenient birth control lines up with declining birth rates.

So we're in agreement? Women are not having fewer kids because couples have less sex, it's because of things like financial independence and birth control that allows (and essentially requires) couples to plan for kids. And when you have to actively chose to have kids in this kind of environment you'll postpone it as long as you can, perhaps limiting yourself to one child, or none at all.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by nsonha »

brnt wrote: post #19
nsonha wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

way to insert an unrelated woke issue into the conversation > until very recently how about now? Fact of the matter is even in the developed countries where work isn't stressful and people do have sex, birth rate is still low. So simply encouraging people to have sex isn't the solution if you want more kids. I believe that's the point they are making.

That had nothing to do with wokeness, it's an obvious bias in the observation. Outside of careerists circles, which is a tiny group, things are quite different. The idea that life is plannable is again an indicator of a particular background and culture, that is representative of only a fraction of humans.

> The idea that life is plannable is again an indicator of a particular background and culture, that is representative of only a fraction of humans

Again you bring up inequality while the discussion is around how to increase birth rate. You didn't even try to link inequality with birth rate. I guess it's cool to raise awareness by hijacking discussion of other issues?

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by rowanG077 »

nsonha wrote: post #25
rowanG077 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting children is 100% plannable. Even if you have no access to birth control you can still choose to not have sex. That has nothing do to with background.

> you can still choose to not have sex this I cannot agree with since it doesn't align with reality

Can you explain how it doesn't align with reality? It's not uncommon anymore that people who are 30 years old still never had sex. For whatever reason they were capable of not having sex for ~15 years. That quite clearly says to me it is possible, some people just are willing to take the risk of having a child.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by BlargMcLarg »

martindbp wrote: post #4

I doubt it. Having children is not first and foremost a consequence of having sex, it's an active choice that you make plans for. When you have to work long hours, have no financial support for childcare, having aging parents to take care of, then there's just no room for having kids. I live in arguably one of the best countries for raising kids, with 18 months parental leave, free preschool, higher education, retire…

Dating is also just a PitA for most people given the current payoff and the alternatives available, which doesn't help either. Few people enjoy a second job over their existing full-time job with a potentially much lower or even negative payoff.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

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Post by nsonha »

nsonha wrote: post #25
rowanG077 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting children is 100% plannable. Even if you have no access to birth control you can still choose to not have sex. That has nothing do to with background.

> you can still choose to not have sex this I cannot agree with since it doesn't align with reality

> For whatever reason they were capable of not having sex for ~15 years

"whatever" being not in a cohabitate relationship

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