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Half a million South Korean workers walk off jobs in general strike

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Re: Half a million South Korean workers walk off jobs in general strike

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Post by qaq »

v-erne wrote: post #107
qaq wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you? Do you really think you can magically turn raw materials + work needed to build a super yacht into something of global consequence ? Or a Pollock painting will magically turn into a 1000 homes? Or that 1% consumes significantly more food? Most ultra-rich sh*t is immaterial to struggles of regular people. Even if 1%ers consumes extra 300 square meters of real eastate if you divide it across the 99% you will ge…

I have seen this sentiment and on the surface its looks right. But I feel that we are missing here some real studies that should be done into impact of life style of the rich on the whole economy. I know few rich people (some of them ungodly rich). And seeing glimpses of their life style I cannot simply ignore cohorts of supporting jobs that make it all possibile (just to mentions few : private guards, house keeps, g…

And yet account for all of that and divide it across remaining population and it will come out to nothing. The majority of their wealth is super inflated assets that would not change anyones life if divided across the population.

Re: Half a million South Korean workers walk off jobs in general strike

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Post by seoulmetro »

watwut wrote: post #61
mopsy77 wrote: post #14

Maybe all these snowpiercer, squid games, parasite narratives are having an effect? Its like all these dystopic, zombie, monster, battle royale movies and shows are just expressing the never ending exploitaion and helplessness around people.

I did not found parasite to be exploitative, dystopic, zombie, monster, battle royalle movie? It was cross between comedy and something serious, but the rich family did not stricken me as all that horribly exploiting them.

That's because it wasn't about rich and poor and their roles in society. It was about rich and poor and how each one differs significantly.

So many people read the wrong way into that movie and it's disappointing.

It has absolutely nothing to do with "class clashing or class struggling against each other" no matter how much the media wants to make you think that.

Re: Half a million South Korean workers walk off jobs in general strike

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Post by mathverse »

beaconstudios wrote: post #101
mathverse wrote: post #55

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isn't this strike people saying they don't want a hyper-capitalist society? > They are all justifying continuation of that culture by "not having time and being overworked" and therefore require services to be available at all times. This is /almost/ a systemic analysis. Consider the implications of having no time due to overwork and thus demanding 24/7 services, requiring overwork from others.

> isn't this strike people saying they don't want a hyper-capitalist society?

That's for a longer discussion.

>This is /almost/ a systemic analysis. Consider the implications of having no time due to overwork and thus demanding 24/7 services, requiring overwork from others.

They all require overwork from each other.That's the thing.

Re: Half a million South Korean workers walk off jobs in general strike

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Post by dkdk8283 »

v-erne wrote: post #107
qaq wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you? Do you really think you can magically turn raw materials + work needed to build a super yacht into something of global consequence ? Or a Pollock painting will magically turn into a 1000 homes? Or that 1% consumes significantly more food? Most ultra-rich sh*t is immaterial to struggles of regular people. Even if 1%ers consumes extra 300 square meters of real eastate if you divide it across the 99% you will ge…

I have seen this sentiment and on the surface its looks right. But I feel that we are missing here some real studies that should be done into impact of life style of the rich on the whole economy. I know few rich people (some of them ungodly rich). And seeing glimpses of their life style I cannot simply ignore cohorts of supporting jobs that make it all possibile (just to mentions few : private guards, house keeps, g…

It creates real jobs and wealth. A friend of mine has 200 people employed in his family office.

Re: Half a million South Korean workers walk off jobs in general strike

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Post by jstummbillig »

treeman79 wrote: post #79
Animats wrote: post #22

This already happened, yesterday.[1] About 16,000 people showed up for a rally in Seoul. [1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-korea-squid-game-labor-un...

Never trust media on counts. Went to some boat rallies that had many thousands of people and hundreds of boat. Highly impressive turnout. Media reports made it out that barely anyone showed up.

Wanted to comment with a snide "QED", then got really sad, because jumping from poor reporting on boat rallies to "never trust the media" feels way too real right now.

Re: Half a million South Korean workers walk off jobs in general strike

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Post by qaq »

LightG wrote: post #102
qaq wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you? Do you really think you can magically turn raw materials + work needed to build a super yacht into something of global consequence ? Or a Pollock painting will magically turn into a 1000 homes? Or that 1% consumes significantly more food? Most ultra-rich sh*t is immaterial to struggles of regular people. Even if 1%ers consumes extra 300 square meters of real eastate if you divide it across the 99% you will ge…

I'll take the 3 metres, thanks. I hate this kind of framing. People use it all the time. "It only costs 50p per person of the population to maintain the UK Royal Family" ... Pfft, in total there is the potential to do something more significant, more useful, and .... material.

Sure you will but you will never get it though. Because there will be a class of people who decide who should get that extra 3 meters and as my experience growing up in USSR tells me it's ain't gonna be you.

Re: Half a million South Korean workers walk off jobs in general strike

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Post by SiempreViernes »

dragonelite wrote: post #94
SiempreViernes wrote: post #70

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Do you have some history of technology sources to back up this claim? Because even radar was first developed for the civilian setting before the military boosted its development tremendously to solve their WW2 related needs. I think a much better theory of technological development is that the military mainly funds engineering development of existing technology and doesn't stumble into truly new inventions faster tha…

Silicon valley and western semi conductor supremacy was build by US military spending in ww2, 1950s and 1960s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTC_RxWN_xo Its was only in the late 1970s that wallstreet got their money into silicon valley. Given the channel I did not do any fact checking and just assume the presentation is historically correct.

If we are to take that loose an interpretation of military funding (they invested in companies that did things for others later), I will also accept that because the military defines the state, everything that happens in a state can be counted as happening by military funding.

Re: Half a million South Korean workers walk off jobs in general strike

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Post by imtringued »

odiroot wrote: post #85
rodgerd wrote: post #42

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It's worth noting most housing in Singapore is state-owned

And yet Singapore has low taxes (by some considered even a tax haven) and is not a welfare state. That is by design, LKY having been a big supporter of personal responsibility.

In my opinion income tax should be massively reduced in favor of land value taxes.

Re: Half a million South Korean workers walk off jobs in general strike

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Post by qwytw »

bumbada wrote: post #67
ginko wrote: post #13

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> I'm not aware of anywhere that attempts to socialise housing has worked well. In Vienna about 25% of the total housing stock is public housing[1]. It's the main reason why rental prices are significantly below other European capitals[2]. [1] https://www.huduser.gov/portal/pdredge/pdr_edge_featd_articl... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/503274/average-rental-co...

Not really. The main reason Vienna have rental prices below other European capitals is because it was one of the few cities that actually lost a significant part of its population multiple times. It was the capital of a big empire that was destroyed and they incorporated to a different Empire that also was destroyed. Lots of people left to other cities that were not as bureaucratic looking for opportunities an oversi…

Vienna's population was at it's lowest in 1951, it has grown by almost a quarter since then, whereas Detroit's current population is a fraction of what it was in the 50's. While admittedly Vienna has been growing slower than most other major cities in Europe your explanation is ~80-100 years outdated..

Re: Half a million South Korean workers walk off jobs in general strike

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Post by beaconstudios »

mathverse wrote: post #113
beaconstudios wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

isn't this strike people saying they don't want a hyper-capitalist society? > They are all justifying continuation of that culture by "not having time and being overworked" and therefore require services to be available at all times. This is /almost/ a systemic analysis. Consider the implications of having no time due to overwork and thus demanding 24/7 services, requiring overwork from others.

> isn't this strike people saying they don't want a hyper-capitalist society? That's for a longer discussion. >This is /almost/ a systemic analysis. Consider the implications of having no time due to overwork and thus demanding 24/7 services, requiring overwork from others. They all require overwork from each other.That's the thing.

> They all require overwork from each other.That's the thing.

Exactly - so they can't just all collectively agree to stop; that's an impossible level of coordination, akin to a General Strike (hey wait a minute!)

We coordinate on what's allowed and what's not via the government. Large groups pressure said government to legislate in their interest because bosses aren't just going to agree to let people stop overworking.

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